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**lindil** · 09-13-2002, 06:35 AM

I would synopsize and slightly expand my last post by saying that the palantir acted as an object to both aid Osanwe by it's [ab]/user's and to grant vision.

The mirror as far as we know was not used in an Osanwe context, as galadriel [ and doubtless her inner circle] were adept at it's practice w/ out the mirror. Elrond give evidence of this in FotR when he says that as he looks south 'all is dark to him under the Shadow' which to my mind means normally he CAN cast his mind out and receive impressions/information from great distances. Arwen also is mentioned [ forget where] as watching over Aragorn on all of his travels.

Boy that kind of attention would make wandering for 60 years easier.

So I suppose i have to modify my earlier statement abit.

The palantir had 3 funtions [ not counting the unique one in the white Towers]

1.Images
a> present
b> future/past [great for writing history!>
2.Osanwe

The Mirror had [again as far as I know] only the Images functions [but also like the palantir available in erratic past/present/future modes].

Since we have no detailed description of Galadriel herself using the Mirror w/ out hobbits present, we do not know if she could like an experienced or 'lawful' user of the Palantir direct it according to her will. I rather imagine she could. So like the palantir it had a 'random' [although that is not really the word I want as it does not include the 'fate'/'destiny'qualities shown to Sam and Frodo] and I surmise a 'dircted' or 'Focused' function.

galadriel mentions during the course of the session w/ the hobbits [arggghhh I knew it !!! as I am think about the scene from the book I am seeing Kate blanchett! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] ]any way Galadriel describes to them 'that she 'knows the mind of Sauron - at least as it concerns the Elves]. Now was this knowledge from

the use of the Mirror [w/ built in Palantir like Osanwe functions ]?
The mirror w/ her own osanwe skills used in conjunction?
Osanwe alone?

I have not read in any detail the HoME LotR volumes [6-9]or seen any reference to these questions in the Letter's. All of this is from memory I really do need to re-read the Palantir chapter in UT and the Mirror of galadriel again, so if any one can point out something I have missed...

09-13-2002, 06:35 AM	#17
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	I would synopsize and slightly expand my last post by saying that the palantir acted as an object to both aid Osanwe by it's [ab]/user's and to grant vision. The mirror as far as we know was not used in an Osanwe context, as galadriel [ and doubtless her inner circle] were adept at it's practice w/ out the mirror. Elrond give evidence of this in FotR when he says that as he looks south 'all is dark to him under the Shadow' which to my mind means normally he CAN cast his mind out and receive impressions/information from great distances. Arwen also is mentioned [ forget where] as watching over Aragorn on all of his travels. Boy that kind of attention would make wandering for 60 years easier. So I suppose i have to modify my earlier statement abit. The palantir had 3 funtions [ not counting the unique one in the white Towers] 1.Images a> present b> future/past [great for writing history!> 2.Osanwe The Mirror had [again as far as I know] only the Images functions [but also like the palantir available in erratic past/present/future modes]. Since we have no detailed description of Galadriel herself using the Mirror w/ out hobbits present, we do not know if she could like an experienced or 'lawful' user of the Palantir direct it according to her will. I rather imagine she could. So like the palantir it had a 'random' [although that is not really the word I want as it does not include the 'fate'/'destiny'qualities shown to Sam and Frodo] and I surmise a 'dircted' or 'Focused' function. galadriel mentions during the course of the session w/ the hobbits [arggghhh I knew it !!! as I am think about the scene from the book I am seeing Kate blanchett! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] ]any way Galadriel describes to them 'that she 'knows the mind of Sauron - at least as it concerns the Elves]. Now was this knowledge from the use of the Mirror [w/ built in Palantir like Osanwe functions ]? The mirror w/ her own osanwe skills used in conjunction? Osanwe alone? I have not read in any detail the HoME LotR volumes [6-9]or seen any reference to these questions in the Letter's. All of this is from memory I really do need to re-read the Palantir chapter in UT and the Mirror of galadriel again, so if any one can point out something I have missed... __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.