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Aiwendil's points are well made - as per - but unfortunately kill this whole thread dead
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I suppose we can revive it at later point.
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This has been one of my favourite ever threads, because we've been arguing over something that, lets be honest, doesn't actually matter a damn. But we've been forced to construct & defend positions against the most determined opposition - in my case against some of the smartest people on these boards, & I think we've learned a lot about each other in the process.
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Can't help agreeing
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davem, if you ever show up in the
Know Yer Mates, or a Member Above Ye (shameless advertising, I know) thread, make sure I'm online so I can post after you. The approximate description will be:
...davem is yet unbeaten in debate. Even if opponents would not agree and would not be persuaded, they flee his persistence in defence of his position in most prolix discourses the Internet Era may yet boast of... 
But, if seriously, I must thank you and Fordim, for you two act like catalysts for the rest of us, making us think, write and debate after all years of 'being around', thus refuting malisious gossips that
there is not much left, honestly 
. Special thanks to Aiwendil, the brilliant performer of the 'cold shower' role, which is of vivid importance, since we could talk each other to death in our 'debate heat' but for his posts, full of common sense and logic.
yours truly,