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Old 08-31-2004, 01:20 PM   #26
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davem is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.davem is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
Ok, let me start with my post from the Chapter by Chapter thread on A Knife in the Dark (I know its totally OTT, but I mean every word):

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:Standing upon the rim of the ruined circle, they saw all round below them a wide prospect, for the most part of lands empty and featureless, except for patches of woodland away to the south, beyond which they caught here & there the glint of distant water. Beneath them on this southern side there ran like a ribbon the Old Road, coming out of the West & winding up & down, until it faded behind a ridge of dark land to the east. Nothing was moving on it. Following its line eastward with their eyes they saw the mountains: the nearer foothills were brown & sombre; behind them stood taller shapes of grey; and behind those again were high white peaks glimmering among the clouds.

And that's when I fell in love.

It was that moment, looking out across the great desolate expanses of Middle earth that the fairy story spell of the Hobbit was broken for me. I had seen a new world stretched out before me for the first time, & I suddenly loved it absolutely, (& I've never fallen out of love with it). Looking back on my first reading of LotR, 28 years ago, I remember I had drifted through the earlier chapters, enjoying the pleasant escape into a fantasy world, but at this point, like Frodo in Lorien, I seemed to have stepped through a window into another world, a 'real' world.

This scene is, & always will be for me, Middle earth. If for Frodo its the case that:
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:When he had gone & passed again into the outer world, still Frodo the wander from the Shire would walk there, upon the grass among elanor and niphredil in fair Lothlorien.
then when davem, wanderer from this world, has passed back into the outer world, he will still stand on the summit of Weathertop & watch the Old Road winding out of the West towards the Misty Mountains.
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I second davem on the power of this moment: I still catch my breath at the description of the lands about the hill – it really is the first moment at which Middle-Earth fully comes alive in the book).
Why is that scene 'real'? Well, for me it was so 'real' I felt it - it was like someone had grabbed me by the solar plexus & wrenched me into Middle earth. My head spun, & I felt the sudden vertiginous lurch that anyone afraid of heights (as I am) would feel at suddenly finding themselves looking down on a real landscape from a height of a thousand feet. I could feel the cold, the wind in my face. It was REAL.

In other words, I'm not sure the moral dimension is relevant, & the question of whether I agreed or disagreed with Tolkien's own moral & ethical belief system never entered my head. The reality of that moment in that place was also totally divorced from the context of the story. Black Riders & Magic Rings played no part in it. I was in a suddenly intensely REAL place, & I couldn't understand how or why. Yet I was also at home, sitting with a book in my lap. Two places at once (torn in two!), yet both were, in their own way, equally real.

I can't explain that, but I can't explain it away, either. Its not about 'logic' - some things are real, even if you can't explain them.
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