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Telchar · 04-19-2001, 12:33 PM

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As for the 1st and the 2nd Elessar and who wrougth them, respectfully Tolkien himself seems to have a hard time deciding. First he gives Enedhil of Gondolin the credit, then Celebrimbor of ???Somewhere in Belerian son of Curufin. Then Celebrimbor pupil of Enedhil. Then there is the speculation if there was one or two Elessars. I'll have to reread the chapter i UT - Im just not sure that Tolkien ever decided, or rather that his final decision is stated anywhere...
I for one wont jump to conclusions before rereading :-)

Secondly about the Phial of Galadriel:
Something tells me that you're right but where do I find it in the books? Is it also in UT?
Anyway, there are things that conflict what you're saying. Silmarils shone with a Green light, they were jewels or Gems if you like and not Phial. And this is where my english fails me, but isnt a phial a small bottle like container made og glas? Not very much like a jewel is it??

Anyway it is certainly said in one of the versions of the story og Celebrimbor and Galadriel that he made The Elessar in the liking of a silmaril, a green jewel/gem because she desired the light of the two Trees...

Of the Rings of Power, and this is just not up for discussion, period. Yes elves could make rings everybody can! Men, Hobbits, Elves, Dwarwes you name it. But not even the elves of Eregion could make Rings of Power. That was a craft they learned from Annatar. Yes, indeed the Three were made by Celebrimbor, and him alone Annatar never touched them or helped in there making, BUT Celebrimbor made them alone and LAST of all the rings UT and only after he had learned the craft from Annatar!!!
If I got this wrong I'll pull my beard for a month!
Could some of the wise comment, please.

Cheers Telchar

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04-19-2001, 12:33 PM	#13
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 21</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Enedhil/Celebrimbor As for the 1st and the 2nd Elessar and who wrougth them, respectfully Tolkien himself seems to have a hard time deciding. First he gives Enedhil of Gondolin the credit, then Celebrimbor of ???Somewhere in Belerian son of Curufin. Then Celebrimbor pupil of Enedhil. Then there is the speculation if there was one or two Elessars. I'll have to reread the chapter i UT - Im just not sure that Tolkien ever decided, or rather that his final decision is stated anywhere... I for one wont jump to conclusions before rereading :-) Secondly about the Phial of Galadriel: Something tells me that you're right but where do I find it in the books? Is it also in UT? Anyway, there are things that conflict what you're saying. Silmarils shone with a Green light, they were jewels or Gems if you like and not Phial. And this is where my english fails me, but isnt a phial a small bottle like container made og glas? Not very much like a jewel is it?? Anyway it is certainly said in one of the versions of the story og Celebrimbor and Galadriel that he made The Elessar in the liking of a silmaril, a green jewel/gem because she desired the light of the two Trees... Of the Rings of Power, and this is just not up for discussion, period. Yes elves could make rings everybody can! Men, Hobbits, Elves, Dwarwes you name it. But not even the elves of Eregion could make Rings of Power. That was a craft they learned from Annatar. Yes, indeed the Three were made by Celebrimbor, and him alone Annatar never touched them or helped in there making, BUT Celebrimbor made them alone and LAST of all the rings UT and only after he had learned the craft from Annatar!!! If I got this wrong I'll pull my beard for a month! Could some of the wise comment, please. Cheers Telchar </p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.