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the phantom · 09-04-2002, 09:07 PM

Hey! Great topic!
I would tend to think that given enough time Grima would've become more and more orcish. I also think that Saruman being stripped of much of his power made it possible for Grima to get out from under his thumb (he wasn't completely subjected, he killed him after all). I think if Saruman could've kept his full power over Grima for a much longer amount of time, he would've ended up being somewhat of an orc, yet somewhat inferior to orcs, since orcs are (my opinion) twisted elves and Grima was a twisted man. Since Saruman was not as powerful as Morgoth, I don't think he could've made an "elf-orc", but since men are easier to subdue to evil, I definitely believe Saruman could've made a "man-orc".
Make any sense? (I'm sleepy)

09-04-2002, 09:07 PM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Hey! Great topic! I would tend to think that given enough time Grima would've become more and more orcish. I also think that Saruman being stripped of much of his power made it possible for Grima to get out from under his thumb (he wasn't completely subjected, he killed him after all). I think if Saruman could've kept his full power over Grima for a much longer amount of time, he would've ended up being somewhat of an orc, yet somewhat inferior to orcs, since orcs are (my opinion) twisted elves and Grima was a twisted man. Since Saruman was not as powerful as Morgoth, I don't think he could've made an "elf-orc", but since men are easier to subdue to evil, I definitely believe Saruman could've made a "man-orc". Make any sense? (I'm sleepy) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.