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Old 07-21-2004, 09:07 AM   #8
Tuor of Gondolin
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
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Another point could be added, about Gandalf's thinking and insight (presumably as a maia). PJ's movie actually kept the concept of Eru, either directly or through the valar, being behind Bilbo and Frodo coming into possession of the ring, both in the movie prologue and in Moria, although the citation actually is in Bagend "The Shadow of the Past", in one of the great passages in LOTR:

" 'Behind that there was something else at work, beyond any design of the Ring-Maker. I can put it no plainer than by saying that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and not by its maker. In which case you also were meant to have it. And that may be an encouraging thought."
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