reading this thread makes me realize how one shouldnt analyze JRRT.  omg where to begin?  Thanks to squatter, symstreme and lindil for inserting some valuable wisdom here that i hope will sink in.... Im not as literate as those guys so this reply isnt as gentle - my apologies.  It would be interesting to find out the various political leanings of all the downers, but i would guess its safe to say that we as a group are a little left of center.  So my opinion might grate on you guys like a burr in a hobbits lederhosen - sorry again!
its a free world and i appreciate the diverse opinions here but omg the start thread is as wrong as a certain german using Wagner to describe how wonderfull his race was.  Its all wrong.  period.  Atlantis is one of the oldest myths of western civilization.   
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		| This seems to hit dead on with the growing materialistic society bred by marketing and corporate America. | 
	
 whew - well comrade, you might turn off the tv and take a history lesson.  We have been a capatalist society since inception
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		| As time went on, the Numenoreans desired to rule more men, which could represent the Imperialistic policy of the United States. | 
	
 yikes - can you say self loathing?  Its lonely at the top son 

  In a lot of ways, America is an extension of western europe.  I would say, so far, we have a pretty decent track record when comparing the 2 continents in this regard.  It wasnt too long ago when Britain OWNED 1\4 of the WORLD.  Last time I checked, it hasnt sunk - you guys let me know if it starts though - there may be some slow moving ents we need to help out!