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Old 07-16-2004, 05:38 PM   #28
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Silmaril Cellar Door

I am proud to be able to say that I liked Donnie Darko before it became the "in" Emo movie. I won't get into an anti-Emo rant here, however. Save that for another Forum.

I agree that "cellar door", with almost any English-speaking accent, sounds very beautiful if you take away the meaning.

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On a more Tolkien related note, I agree with the above comment questioning why, as JRRT so clearly loved the soft 'ce' of the word 'cellar', he hardened the names of such luminaries as Celeborn. To give it a more 'authentic' Celtic feel, one imagines, but I cannot help but feel slight regret whenever I hear Celeborn said this way; I too am more in favour of the softer sound. Ah well. You can't hear me saying it!
I tend to disagree. Though I do love the soft "ce", myself, I actually prefer the harder sound in Celeborn. For some reason, giving it the softer "ce" makes it sound a bit too much like the word "celibate" or something close to it in my opinion. In names such as Selena (Spanish pronunciation), I think it sounds very beautiful, however.

Thank you so much for the link, Lalaith.

Tolkien had a love for beautiful language. Notice how little he developed the Black Speech for example. When one reads about the language on Ardalambion, it says,
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Tolkien himself did not like the Black Speech at all. One admirer sent him a steel drinking goblet, but to his disappointment he discovered that it was "engraved with the terrible words seen on the Ring. I of course have never drunk from it, but use it for tobacco ash" (Letters:422). He evidently shared the opinion of Elves and Men back in the Third Age, who certainly did not think any better of the Black Speech than they did of the other tongues used by Orcs: "It was so full of harsh and hideous sounds and vile words that other mouths found it difficult to compass, and few indeed were willing to make the attempt" (PM:35).
Eek...I have to go, sadly.
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