[Aiwendil]

Quotes are from T-E except where noted.

Page 2, change the period after "remained" to a comma

Yes, this appears to just be a typo.

Page 21, note 18 gates of steel. Page 23 gates of iron refering to the gates of Gondolin.

"Gates of steel" is from Q30, so on page 23 "iron" ought to be changed to "steel".

Page 22 note 26, the Q&E statement does not have the Noldor as 'lithe' like the Sindar, the 'but' indicates a contrast between the Noldor and Sindar, i.e. the Sindar are lithe.

I've looked again at Q&E and I simply have to disagree with this. The whole sentence is aimed at establishing the similarity between the Noldor and Sindar, with a contrast only being introduced in the following sentence, referring to their eyes. I think by far the more natural reading is to take "lithe" as contrasting with "strong and tall".

I suppose if we want to be extremely cautious, we could delete "and very lithe" as Maedhros suggests, as this would make no statement one way or another and so agree with either reading.

Page 23 "[gilded images] of two trees, and [likeness] should perhaps be 'in the likeness of'

This sounds good.

Page 29 change "arid brave" to "and brave"

Another typo.

Page 31 'none such delvers of earth and rock as the Noldor'. What about Dwarves?

I like Findegil's suggestion:

Now there are none such delvers of earth or rock [among the Elves] as the {Noldoli} [Noldor], (and this {Melko} [Morgoth] knows), but in those places is the earth of a great hardness; and Tuor said:

Page 33 'the Eldar have called them Valaraukar', should likely be Noldor, as both Sindar and Noldor are Eldar.

Yes, it definitely should be Noldor.

Page 37 and note 103 perhaps rather than 'Penlod, tallest of the Noldor save Turgon', just say Penlod the Tall.

As I recall this was one of the last bits we struggled with. I do still think that "tallest of the Noldor save Turgon" sounds a little awkward - I suppose I'm now inclined to follow Tar-Elenion's suggestion.

Page 37 Salgant alone riding should be deleted. It has already been established that the Gondolindrim ride.

Maedhros wrote:

I'm not sure why would we need to delete the part about Talagand riding, but what I would do is to remove the part in which he is heavy and squat, kind of goes against the description of the Ñoldor.

If indeed the other Gondolindrim ride as well, then he cannot "alone" of "all the sons of the Gondolindrim" ride into battle. As for him being heavy and squat - I don't really see a need to delete it, though I do understand your doubt about it. I could go either way, I suppose.

Findegil wrote:

About Talagand: Riding did the Gondolindrim do, but did they ride into battle? And especially in this battle. We are talking about a street fight in a city with surly smooth paved streets. Of what worth would a cavalary be in that battle? As I see the situation in Gondolin there were very few horses in the city. The ways to aproche the city were to step for the dragons. I think they were stairs. Thus I think the horses were used only in the plain. That Talagand had one to ride was due to his haevieness. Thus I dont think we have remove anything here.

But the description of Talagand here has a sense of generality - it does not say that he alone rode into this battle (as it cannot, for this battle has not yet begun); it says that he alone rode into battle.

Forgive me if this is obvious, but where is it said that the Gondolindrim ride into battle?

Page 40, the fighting between the Moles and the Wing, dangerous as this equals Kinslaying.

I'm not entirely sure that having a few Elves die here would violate the First/Second/Third numbering of the kin-slayings (think about all the battles that come in between the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth battles of Beleriand). But to be safe, I think we should perhaps follow Findegil's suggestion, simply deleting "or flung from the walls".

Page 40 "Eldar and Noldor" is redundant.

I'd go with "Sindar and Noldor" to retain the distinction, as per Findegil's suggestion.

Page 43 note 125 'And he drove them back', "he" should be changed, or clarified

Very true. I'd simply go with "Ecthelion" as Maedhros suggests.

Page 50 Salgant being "old". Perhaps remove.

I don't see any need to.

Page 51 "whom the Eldar named Sorontar", "Eldar" should be changed. Noldor and Sindar are both Eldar.

Yes, this should be "Noldor".

Page 57 and note 194, Gil-galad being King of the Noldor at the Mouths of Sirion may lead to conflict with IDril, Tuor and Earendil, Elwing ruling there. Also Ereinion is still valid as a name of Gil-galad.

This has been extensively discussed elsewhere. As for Rodnor vs. Ereinion - I thought that we had adopted "Ereinion", in which case the text is simply a mistake.

Another note on this page - it had escaped me that we had placed:

All this have others in ancient stories
and songs unfolded, but say I further

. . . at the end of the fragment. This is simply bizarre. It ought to be deleted.

Page 58 'Quendi the Light-elves', change Quendi to Vanyar.

Yes.

Page 58 Earendil being smaller than Men seems apt for removal.

I don't see a need to remove it; it simply says that he is "smaller than most men". Hurin was short despite being of the tall house of Hador. Why can't Earendil be?