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Posted by Tar Elenion:

Page 31 'none such delvers of earth and rock as the Noldor'. What about Dwarves?

Clearly the dwarves are better in delving but to mention they here as an expectation seems not good for me. What have the dwarves to do with that passages at all? For me it seems better to restrict the meaning:

Now there are none such delvers of earth or rock [among the Elves] as the {Noldoli} [Noldor], (and this {Melko} [Morgoth] knows), but in those places is the earth of a great hardness; and Tuor said:

About Talagand: Riding did the Gondolindrim do, but did they ride into battle? And especially in this battle. We are talking about a street fight in a city with surly smooth paved streets. Of what worth would a cavalary be in that battle? As I see the situation in Gondolin there were very few horses in the city. The ways to aproche the city were to step for the dragons. I think they were stairs. Thus I think the horses were used only in the plain. That Talagand had one to ride was due to his haevieness. Thus I dont think we have remove anything here. The discription of the Noldor in Q&E is a generall typ-discription, exception from it were clearly possible. And clearly elves could be old even in the first age, so why not Talagand?

Posted by Tar Elenion:

Page 40, the fighting between the Moles and the Wing, dangerous as this equals Kinslaying.

That is clearly right, but eliminat the complet fight seems a bit out of picture. What did the house of the mole do during the battle when their leader was gone? And how did Meaglin explain that he had to leave them so short before a battle? I think that we should only skip any mentioning of potential slaying and let them be defeated into flight, when they tried to affeng thier dead leader:

Now Tuor did this, though his valour leapt to the noise of war, that he might take farewell of Idril and {Eärendel} [Eärendil]; and speed them with a bodyguard down the secret way ere he returned himself to the battle throng to die if must be: but he found a press of the Mole-folk about his door, and these were the grimmest and least good-hearted of folk that {Meglin} [Maeglin] might get in that city. Yet were they free {Noldoli} [Noldor] and under no spell of {Melko} [Morgoth]'s like their master, wherefore though for the lordship of {Meglin} [Maeglin] they aided not Idril, no more would they touch of his purpose despite all his curses.
Now then {Meglin} [Maeglin] had Idril by the hair and sought to drag her to the battlements out of cruelty of heart, that she might see the fall of {Eärendel} [Eärendil] to the flames; but he was cumbered by that child, and she fought, alone as she was, like a tigress for all her beauty and slenderness. There he now struggles and delays amid oaths while that folk of the Wing draw nigh − and lo! Tuor gives a shout so great that the Orcs hear it afar and waver at the sound of it. Like a crash of tempest the guard of the Wing were amid the men of the Mole, and these were stricken asunder. When {Meglin} [Maeglin] saw this he would stab {Eärendel} [Eärendil] with a short knife he had; but that child bit his left hand, that his teeth sank in, and he staggered, and stabbed weakly, and the mail of the small coat turned the blade aside; and thereupon Tuor was upon him and his wrath was terrible to see. He seized {Meglin} [Maeglin] by that hand that held the knife and broke the arm with the wrench, and then taking him by the middle leapt with him upon the walls, and flung him far out. Great was the fall of his body, and it smote {Amon Gwareth} [Amon Gwared] three times ere it pitched in the midmost of the flames; and the name of {Meglin} [Maeglin] has gone out in shame from among [Sindar]{Eldar} and {Noldoli} [Noldor].
Then the warriors of the Mole being more numerous than those few of the Wing, and loyal to their lord, came at Tuor, and there were great blows, but no man might stand before the wrath of Tuor, and they were smitten and driven to fly into what dark holes they might{, or flung from the walls}. Then Tuor and his men must get them to the battle of the Gate, for the noise of it has grown very great, and Tuor has it still in his heart that the city may stand; yet with Idril he left there Voronwë against his will and some other swordsmen to be a guard for her till he returned or might send tidings from the fray.

I alos changed here "Eldar and Noldoli" to "Sindar and Noldor". If Tolkien made a splited reference than we should go with that if we can.

Posted by Tar Elenion:

Page 51 "whom the Eldar named Sorontar", "Eldar" should be changed. Noldor and Sindar are both Eldar.

What Tar Elenion means is that Sorontar is the Quenya form of the name. Thus a reference to the Eldar is out of place. I suggets that

... whom the {Eldar}[Noldor] named Sorontar ...

would be okay.


With the other points I agree with what Maedhros suggested.

Respectfully
Findegil