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**lindil** · 03-21-2001, 09:25 AM

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the Noldorin High-Kings

Tar elenion said:"I don't think I have said that Fingolfin was King of the Noldor when
he ruled the Noldor of Tirion. He was (as I see it) High Prince (as
was Feanor), and essentially 'regent' for the 'unkinged' Finwe. JRRT
did mention Fingolfin's "kingship" in reference to the rule of the
Noldor after Finwe 'unkinged' himself, but this was in 'Quenta
Silmarillion', and he seems to have abandoned using the term in his
later rewrites. This is the overall context I am looking at. Finwe was
King. Finwe held himself unkinged. But he was still considered King
until he died. When he died there were two rival claims of Kingship.
Feanor who was the eldest of the House; and Fingolfin who had been
ruling the Noldor in Finwe's stead. These rival claims were not settled
until Feanor died, and Fingolfin was the only (active) claimant left. "

I think the idea of high prince is accurate as Finwe was still alive and had not stated any intention to abandon the kingship after Feanor's exile was over.

"Tar elenion again:"These rival claims were not settled
until Feanor died, and Fingolfin was the only (active) claimant left. "

I would side w/ Michel here I think. Maedhros would have been ruling as King until his capture as the Feanorian Noldor did not anticipate any more Noldor showing up. they would have gone ahead w/ a gov't w/ out anythought of Fingolfin.

So I see no other conclusion than that Maedhros was ceding the title of King of King of the feanorian Noldor to Fingolfin.

Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns and working on his new discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

03-21-2001, 09:25 AM	#17
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 501</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> the Noldorin High-Kings Tar elenion said:"I don't think I have said that Fingolfin was King of the Noldor when he ruled the Noldor of Tirion. He was (as I see it) High Prince (as was Feanor), and essentially 'regent' for the 'unkinged' Finwe. JRRT did mention Fingolfin's "kingship" in reference to the rule of the Noldor after Finwe 'unkinged' himself, but this was in 'Quenta Silmarillion', and he seems to have abandoned using the term in his later rewrites. This is the overall context I am looking at. Finwe was King. Finwe held himself unkinged. But he was still considered King until he died. When he died there were two rival claims of Kingship. Feanor who was the eldest of the House; and Fingolfin who had been ruling the Noldor in Finwe's stead. These rival claims were not settled until Feanor died, and Fingolfin was the only (active) claimant left. " I think the idea of high prince is accurate as Finwe was still alive and had not stated any intention to abandon the kingship after Feanor's exile was over. "Tar elenion again:"These rival claims were not settled until Feanor died, and Fingolfin was the only (active) claimant left. " I would side w/ Michel here I think. Maedhros would have been ruling as King until his capture as the Feanorian Noldor did not anticipate any more Noldor showing up. they would have gone ahead w/ a gov't w/ out anythought of Fingolfin. So I see no other conclusion than that Maedhros was ceding the title of King of King of the feanorian Noldor to Fingolfin. Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns and working on his new discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.