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***Mithadan*** · 03-09-2001, 12:13 PM

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Re: Melkor/Morgoth his vision

The idea was that all that Morgoth sees would also be seen by Hurin. Morgoth did not "see all". The text in the Silmarillion strongly suggests that there were peiods of time when Turin, at least, escaped his vision (whether his "vision" was those of Morgoth's minions as Lindil suggests or otherwise). The distiction here is that while Morgoth could "transmit" his vision or knowledge to Hurin on a one way basis, he could not read or steal information from Hurin's unwilling mind. Think of it as a person tied to a chair with his hands free but with his eyes glued open in front of a computer monitor linked to a message board. The person reads the messages but unless he wishes to respond, other posters will not know what he's thinking.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

03-09-2001, 12:13 PM	#13
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,329	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 716</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Melkor/Morgoth his vision The idea was that all that Morgoth sees would also be seen by Hurin. Morgoth did not "see all". The text in the Silmarillion strongly suggests that there were peiods of time when Turin, at least, escaped his vision (whether his "vision" was those of Morgoth's minions as Lindil suggests or otherwise). The distiction here is that while Morgoth could "transmit" his vision or knowledge to Hurin on a one way basis, he could not read or steal information from Hurin's unwilling mind. Think of it as a person tied to a chair with his hands free but with his eyes glued open in front of a computer monitor linked to a message board. The person reads the messages but unless he wishes to respond, other posters will not know what he's thinking. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.