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**lindil** · 03-08-2001, 11:01 AM

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Greetings and welcome to the downs Falmar .

I think w/ the majority of occasions in the Legendarium we see elves in ways thhat are not universal to their culture ;
1- At war or in crisis [glorfindel ]
2- Rulers mostly talking w/ other important figures [gandalf ,Aragorn]
3 - At formal feasts

so we really only see them cutting loose so to speak in Mirkwood when the Cheif Guard and Butler should have been working and again in the hobbit at rivendell teasing the Dwarves.Beren meeting Luthien also comes to mind.

We don't [unfortunately] get to go inside elvish hearts and minds while they are cleaning house or raising children, or most of the things that cultures do in ways that once you are on the inside becomes invisible to you.

so the episode on the bridge [keep in mind that the nonsense is in translation - and JRRT was not nearly at the height of his skills re: such things] prob reflects an echo of the event more than 'memorex' .

I find fascinating the references that seem to indicate that they knew what the Dwarves were up to.
I doubt gandalf would have spoken to anyone save Elrond , Glorfindel and other tight lippeed nobles about it.
So I suspect Osanwe-Kenta as the text indeed alludes to.
[I know I posted this before - but it was cast into the void]
Best question we have had in a long time.

btw --another good glimpse of Elvish merrymaking is in Smith of Wooten Major where smith finally makes into the heart of the realm ofElvendom and dances with the Queen.
[and in the person of Alf we do get to see a bit and Elven Chef! wouldn't waste a bee'sknee of butter ]

Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

03-08-2001, 11:01 AM	#14
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 447</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> elves Greetings and welcome to the downs Falmar . I think w/ the majority of occasions in the Legendarium we see elves in ways thhat are not universal to their culture ; 1- At war or in crisis [glorfindel ] 2- Rulers mostly talking w/ other important figures [gandalf ,Aragorn] 3 - At formal feasts so we really only see them cutting loose so to speak in Mirkwood when the Cheif Guard and Butler should have been working and again in the hobbit at rivendell teasing the Dwarves.Beren meeting Luthien also comes to mind. We don't [unfortunately] get to go inside elvish hearts and minds while they are cleaning house or raising children, or most of the things that cultures do in ways that once you are on the inside becomes invisible to you. so the episode on the bridge [keep in mind that the nonsense is in translation - and JRRT was not nearly at the height of his skills re: such things] prob reflects an echo of the event more than 'memorex' . I find fascinating the references that seem to indicate that they knew what the Dwarves were up to. I doubt gandalf would have spoken to anyone save Elrond , Glorfindel and other tight lippeed nobles about it. So I suspect Osanwe-Kenta as the text indeed alludes to. [I know I posted this before - but it was cast into the void] Best question we have had in a long time. btw --another good glimpse of Elvish merrymaking is in Smith of Wooten Major where smith finally makes into the heart of the realm ofElvendom and dances with the Queen. [and in the person of Alf we do get to see a bit and Elven Chef! wouldn't waste a bee'sknee of butter ] Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.