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Old 04-21-2004, 06:52 AM   #13
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Actually Saucepan, Numenor is Atlantis, compare their legends, they are startlingly similar.
Except the sources are different. But you are right in the sense that Tolkien modelled the tale of Numenor largely on the legend of Atlantis (thereby incorporating the legend into his own "mythology"). There are numerous references to this in his Letters. In fact, he often refers to the island as Numenor-Atlantis.


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Tolkien's original name for Numenor was Atlantia or something to that efect.
The Quenya for Numenor is Atalantė.


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So do you mean that we should be instead of connecting the fall of Numenor with Atlantis, be connecting it with the legend of Avalon?
Hmm. No, on reflection. It was 3am and I was working from a half-formed memory. I thought that the Avalon legend could be connected to the tale of Numenor via a shared connection with the Atlantis legend. However, although there is a tenuous link between Arthurian legend and Atlantis (some say that Merlin came from there), I don't think that there is really any significant parallel between Avalon and Atlantis (after all, one was an island in a lake and the other was a continent).

So the Avalon-Numenor connection was a bit of a red herring. Sorry folks.

Edit: The Avalon-Tol Eressea connection is a much better one. Thanks Guinevere (and you should know ).
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