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Old 03-09-2004, 07:58 AM   #19
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Concluding that Gandalf couldn't have known about the Balrog, but knew about Durin's Bane, it is very unlikely to say that he didn't have foresight.
I think you misunderstand me, inglorion. I do not suggest that Gandalf had no foresight, but it would be pretty much inexplicable if Gandalf should know that he is going towards his death, and still go into Moria.

Gandalf had much more powers besides. His shrewd guesses can sometimes be even considered prophesies. However, given the situation, Gandalf would not have died fighting in Moria unless he had foreseen his own ressurection. He know fully well of the dangers in Moria, he know that he is leading the Ring to an extremely dangerous place, and he know of Durin's Bane even though he did not know what it is. All these are things that he already know, and therefore do not count as Foresight. But knowing all these, he continues to lead them all into Moria! I can't believe that Gandalf did not foresee his return at a later date.

Of course, we are also talking about two different Gandalfs: The grey and the white. My argument is that Gandalf the White HAD foresight. But Gandalf the Grey did not, or had much less. Then again, the question is whether Aragorn's prophetic powers came from his Numenorean blood. My answer is could be, but chances are that it is a divine gift.

By the way, can all Maia be considered to have Foresight? They were all there when the Great Music began... so they might have some inkling of what's to come?
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