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Lyta_Underhill · 02-20-2004, 01:25 PM

I still would have liked to see Frodo dancing on a table and singing, though! Fool of a Baggins!

The bad thing is, that when Frodo messes up, he pays dearly for it. It seems to be a mixed blessing when Pippin screws up, though, if you subscribe to the notion that Gandalf's fall in Moria was necessary to his gaining the necessary power to meet the Dark Forces in battle as Gandalf the White and that Pippin's stone precipitated it. Also, Pippin saves Gandalf again (so to speak) when he takes the Palantir and learns its true nature, confusing the enemy and saving Gandalf from a trial he wasn't sure he was ready for. Pippin's trouble seemed to really advance things and he seems to me like God's Fool, oblivious but charmed, protected by Providence until he comes to his maturity. Frodo, on the other hand, gets a sharp bit of metal in his shoulder, a sting, a bit off finger...all such bad things when he loses his focus, perhaps because he's all grown up and should know better! But with our younger movie Frodo, it just looks like a whole lot of bad luck and Frodo just got in over his head--yet another shift between the movie and the book, I suppose. But I also hold out hope that the ROTK:EE will clarify some of the muddled palantir lore that arose from including Pippin's dramatic "magnetic lightning ball" experience while leaving out Aragorn's and Denethor's relationships with said seeing stones. But I suppose that is a bit of an extension on this topic, so...I take my leave...for now.

Cheers!
Lyta

02-20-2004, 01:25 PM	#15
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	I still would have liked to see Frodo dancing on a table and singing, though! Fool of a Baggins! The bad thing is, that when Frodo messes up, he pays dearly for it. It seems to be a mixed blessing when Pippin screws up, though, if you subscribe to the notion that Gandalf's fall in Moria was necessary to his gaining the necessary power to meet the Dark Forces in battle as Gandalf the White and that Pippin's stone precipitated it. Also, Pippin saves Gandalf again (so to speak) when he takes the Palantir and learns its true nature, confusing the enemy and saving Gandalf from a trial he wasn't sure he was ready for. Pippin's trouble seemed to really advance things and he seems to me like God's Fool, oblivious but charmed, protected by Providence until he comes to his maturity. Frodo, on the other hand, gets a sharp bit of metal in his shoulder, a sting, a bit off finger...all such bad things when he loses his focus, perhaps because he's all grown up and should know better! But with our younger movie Frodo, it just looks like a whole lot of bad luck and Frodo just got in over his head--yet another shift between the movie and the book, I suppose. But I also hold out hope that the ROTK:EE will clarify some of the muddled palantir lore that arose from including Pippin's dramatic "magnetic lightning ball" experience while leaving out Aragorn's and Denethor's relationships with said seeing stones. But I suppose that is a bit of an extension on this topic, so...I take my leave...for now. Cheers! Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”