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Here's a vauge thought I had last night:<P>Do the movies give any reason for Frodo, Bilbo, Gandalf, et al, nicking off over the sea? In the books, you get some sense of what going to Valinor means, and you can see that it is necessary for the ringbearers to go. But is any of that in the movies, or is the whole Grey Havens scene only there because that scene's in the book and book-readers would have a fit if it were cut? Does the Grey Havens scene have anything building up to it?<P>To partly answer my last question, the "into the west" theme is in the soundtrack at 2 points other than the GHs: when Gandalf tells Pippin death ain't so bad after all, and when Sam carries Frodo up Mt Doom. I guess in PJ's mind, these 2 scenes are linked to the Grey Havens. But how? Why?