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Lyta_Underhill · 11-26-2003, 10:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>it's just another excuse to bring up the whole "Don't you leave him Samwise Gamgee" thing...which I thought was too used in the fellowship.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree about this idea being overemphasized in the FOTR, Ainaserkewen! I don't think Gandalf had to tell him; he would have done it anyway! But, then again, perhaps Gandalf's mandate gave Sam an excuse not to admit to himself that he couldn't leave Frodo even if he wanted to! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>If Frodo leaves Sam behind, then why this picture in the Companion?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I suppose the idea would be that Frodo goes on into the tunnel, but Sam follows him too late and then engages Shelob...I personally would like to see them together in the tunnel, rather than one chasing the other from the outset. (in the book, Sam is chasing Frodo after they break through the web barrier on the other side of the tunnel, having been waylaid by Gollum). I can't see how that picture answers the question, and I wonder how Gollum gets after Sam if he has gone ahead, unless Gollum and Frodo go on, Gollum betrays Frodo and Gollum returns out of the tunnel to attack Sam...hmmm...not thinking too straight. Will have to consider it later! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Although PJ might get it straightened out, it wouldn't be any good at all to have Sam leave Frodo! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, Estel, but Sam DOES leave Frodo! But he can't bear to do it for more than a short time, bless him! I can't see Frodo getting more than a few steps out of sight, when Sam would have to dart after him, yelling, "Mr. Frodo! Mr. Frodo! Don't leave me!" Cheers, Lyta

11-26-2003, 10:16 PM	#11
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>it's just another excuse to bring up the whole "Don't you leave him Samwise Gamgee" thing...which I thought was too used in the fellowship.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree about this idea being overemphasized in the FOTR, <B>Ainaserkewen</B>! I don't think Gandalf had to tell him; he would have done it anyway! But, then again, perhaps Gandalf's mandate gave Sam an excuse not to admit to himself that he <I>couldn't</I> leave Frodo even if he wanted to!<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>If Frodo leaves Sam behind, then why this picture in the Companion?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I suppose the idea would be that Frodo goes on into the tunnel, but Sam follows him too late and then engages Shelob...I personally would like to see them together in the tunnel, rather than one chasing the other from the outset. (in the book, Sam is chasing Frodo after they break through the web barrier on the other side of the tunnel, having been waylaid by Gollum). I can't see how that picture answers the question, and I wonder how Gollum gets after Sam if he has gone ahead, unless Gollum and Frodo go on, Gollum betrays Frodo and Gollum returns out of the tunnel to attack Sam...hmmm...not thinking too straight. Will have to consider it later! <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Although PJ might get it straightened out, it wouldn't be any good at all to have Sam leave Frodo! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, <B>Estel</B>, but Sam DOES leave Frodo! But he can't bear to do it for more than a short time, bless him! I can't see Frodo getting more than a few steps out of sight, when Sam would have to dart after him, yelling, "Mr. Frodo! Mr. Frodo! Don't leave me!" <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”