i know the two elves by elrond are his twin sons, elladan and elrohir.<P>it's also kind of a joke between me and some people that when everyone gets up and starts arguing in the council, the only people that stay seated are elrond's sons and foster son (aragorn) obviously they're the only ones trained in manners in the whole group.
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Certainty of death, small chance of success- what are we waiting for?
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