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**lindil** · 11-24-2002, 03:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Was Radagast good or bad? Did he know what Saruman wanted? What's he going to do later?" It's a diverting thread but would just end up confusing things, especially since Radagast (shades of poor old Glorfindel) never turns up again for the remainder of the story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true, radagast comes up again [ or should] when Saruman brags about duping him to Gandalf. His role is very quickly and efficiently explained and [ if the original 30 second exchange at Bree had happened along w/ Gandalf giving Butterman the Letter] we understand why an eagle was sent with tidings.I agree though that the movie [#1 at least] manages rather well to convey the story. But I must say this I noticed a BIG contradiction in PJ saying he wanted to do like JRRT did and have the sense conveyed of untold stories, but then later on in the 'appendices' he says what ever did not move forward the story of the destruction of the ring had ro go. Well which is it?Much of the nobility, depth and grandeur of the Legendarium is that each character, town, king has a history and to see glimpses of these adds much to the story.Now in all fairness I think PJ realises this, I am just criticising his rationalizations of deletions.My main critique is not with Bombadil and others are gone [ although I would have loved to have sen them in the extended version], but with things that were changed for the sake of changing, e.g. The Aragorn ]'turning from that path long ago' non sense. Legolas shouting that Boromir owed Aragorn his allegiance. huh? Instead of focusing on Merry and Pippin planning all along to go with Frodo we get 2 newly fabricated larceny scenes to 'develop' their characters. I really do not see how PJ helped the story along by jettisoning secondary plot lines and adding new secondary plot lines that almost always were blatantly inferior to what he replaced. I won't mention Arwen as that has been well and truly covered again and again, and will doubtless come up again as TTT is shown. She is imo absolutly the weakest link in the FotR film. Liv really does try I will giver her that but playing the descendent of Luthien is just too far out of her depth.[ November 24, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ]

11-24-2002, 03:51 AM	#41
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Was Radagast good or bad? Did he know what Saruman wanted? What's he going to do later?" It's a diverting thread but would just end up confusing things, especially since Radagast (shades of poor old Glorfindel) never turns up again for the remainder of the story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not true, radagast comes up again [ or should] when Saruman brags about duping him to Gandalf. His role is very quickly and efficiently explained and [ if the original 30 second exchange at Bree had happened along w/ Gandalf giving Butterman the Letter] we understand why an eagle was sent with tidings.<P>I agree though that the movie [#1 at least] manages rather well to convey the story. But I must say this I noticed a BIG contradiction in PJ saying he wanted to do like JRRT did and have the sense conveyed of untold stories, but then later on in the 'appendices' he says what ever did not move forward the story of the destruction of the ring had ro go. <P>Well which is it?<P>Much of the nobility, depth and grandeur of the Legendarium is that each character, town, king has a history and to see glimpses of these adds much to the story.<P>Now in all fairness I think PJ realises this, I am just criticising his rationalizations of deletions.<P>My main critique is not with Bombadil and others are gone [ although I would have loved to have sen them in the extended version], but with things that were changed for the sake of changing, e.g. The Aragorn ]'turning from that path long ago' non sense. Legolas shouting that Boromir owed Aragorn his allegiance. huh? <P>Instead of focusing on Merry and Pippin planning all along to go with Frodo we get 2 newly fabricated larceny scenes to 'develop' their characters. <P>I really do not see how PJ helped the story along by jettisoning secondary plot lines and adding new secondary plot lines that almost always were blatantly inferior to what he replaced.<P><BR>I won't mention Arwen as that has been well and truly covered again and again, and will doubtless come up again as TTT is shown. She is imo absolutly the weakest link in the FotR film. Liv really does try I will giver her that but playing the descendent of Luthien is just too far out of her depth.<p>[ November 24, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.