[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Once again, I agree to some extent, it would be hard to convey that 17 years past, but also there is the fact that Gandalf wanted Frodo to leave the Shire, not altogether disappear, that and maybe some mention of Frodo's intention of moving to Buckland in order to hide his departure,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, I recall that the transition from Minas Tirith to The Green Dragon implied a lot of time had passed. Especially since Frodo had to go digging for the envelope that contained the Ring.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> though I know deep down in my heart that Tom Bombadil had no place in the movies, I think that the Barrowdowns could of been, and I think that a Barrowwight would not of bored the audience...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In this case, I think you <I>over</I>estimate the audience. They’d most likely have been going “Huh, what’s that big hill? Who’s the ghost thingy?” and be totally lost. Plus, you and almost all other of the Rabid Fans Of Tom Bombadil would have been angered if he wasn’t given credit for the rescue out of the Wight’s tomb. How would they have been gotten out?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Maybe Aragorn shouldnt of had the shards of Narsil, but still the scene on Weathertop really makes a double standard for the Nazgul...at Weathertop they are fought off by one man with a torch and a sword, but in the rest of the movie they were practically invincible, I just wanted some explainaation as to why the nazgul fled so easily (a reference to their hate of fire) and maybe Frodo attacking would of been nice...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, they really don’t seem altogether that spooky at first, if you notice. (In the books) For instance, the one that shows up at Farmer Maggot’s house talks regular, and although he creeps Maggot out, he doesn’t make him cover his ears and hide. It’s a theory, but perhaps they weren’t that powerful until they returned unhorsed and unrobed to Sauron. And yeah, Frodo could have been a little more on the offensive, but he displayed a generally wimpy attitude the whole film.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I just want to know if we had never seen, heard of, or knew the name of Bill the Pony, then why does PJ have them leave the pony behind at the gates of Moria...a waste or precious seonds...we could of seen the full end of Isildur but instead we are stuck with a Pony we have never heard of...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If PJ had left out Bill, then trust me, many more fans of Bill would be angered. Why would we want to see the “full end of Isildur”? What else would you want to see beyond what the EE showed us?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I alteady felt that the oppression and suffering was already well enough conveyed, but once again, I dont really think that PJ added these parts in just for the effect it conveys about war, I cant forget the families of the cats that PJ put into the movie... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Remember, these movies had to function for more than just avid book readers. This is why we saw the oppression stuff. That, and it’s just good cinema – I liked it. As for the cats....meow meow. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I felt that the books themselves depicted the qualities that you mentioned above, and I did not feel that the addtition of and people who have had their lives changed for ever due to the war adds anything in the way of the qualities above, it detracts IMHO<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Again...I’d like to see the statistics on how many of the movie fans hadn’t read the books.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> In the movies, you really dont feel any pity at all for Gollum,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I beg to differ. Actually, Knights don’t beg, so “I differ”. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I am a quiet large Denethor fan in the books, but I do cant stand Denethor in the movie, he is too crude, too mean, too arrogante, too crazy and just too plain ignorant for my tastes...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I didn’t particularly like the Flaming Plunge of Doom, nor the Staff Whack (is that in the video game, whack-a-Denethor?), nor even Shadowfax’s bout of boxing with the good Steward. (Although you must admit Denethor was already clearly in a suicidal frame of mind), but as for his crude, mean, and arrogant attitude . . . don’t know if you checked the books (I say that facetiously) but that’s pretty much who Denethor is. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I felt that Aduril was almost added in as a last minute thing, I mean, how did Elrond make it all the way to Rohan so fast? but most of all, why didnt it happen in FotR? There is no reason in my mind for PJ to wait and put it in in RotK...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Andúril was slated to be delivered to Aragorn at Helm’s Deep. We should be grateful every day that this didn’t happen. But there was a reason for having it in RotK, namely, to follow the story line that Aragorn was reluctant to take hold of his kingship. As for Elrond’s hasty ride...well, we never are told how long it takes to muster at Dunharrow, or how much time passes between the beacons of Gondor lighting, and the siege-laying.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Im referring to all of those poeple boarding the boat, but my question is, which one of them knows how to sail? (most likely Gandalf or maybe Galadrial, who sailed from Valinor in the first age)...but I was under the impression that the boats that the elves boarded were giant and fair, not a tiny littly fishing boat...and I also thought that a very large host of Elves set sail for the west at the end of the 3rd Age, not just one boat...I would of liked to see the one boat join a giant fleet of elven boats at the grey havens...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think you missed the point of what I said when I said there could be others out of sight. By that, I meant other Elves that had skill in sailing. I can just hear Galadriel now. “Ahoy, Gandalf! Raise the main sail!” “Aye aye, Elf-queen!” “Captain!” (shouts Elrond) “Put ‘er a tad to starboard!” <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Cant.....take.....so.....many.......big words......brain melting.....please...turn off.....thesaurus......just kidding =)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Nuts, he saw through my Thesaurus. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PS, if you notice, I refrained from any "orc-talk" in this post...though I do think if you are going to be posting on the internet, one probably should have tougher skin, for not all forums are as clean and well modderated as BD...and I do respect the need for a clean and well moderated forum and I will keep my foul langauge in black speech and not english... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We appreciates it, we does. And I realize there are dirtier forums out there. That’s why I choose to hang out <I>here</I>.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You want my opinion about our analysis of everything wrong with the movies? Well here it is: All I could come to was you just wanted to b*tch and moan. I mean if you are going to be that picky about it then why bother going to see it. Just be glad that it got made into live action movies.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Arathor, Armetiel, he’s got a right to voice his opinion, and offer up his differences for discussion. Perhaps you should take Arathor's own suggestion; if you don’t like what he’s saying, then why bother to read it? (I already voiced a somewhat controversial opinion on the language, so I think that still applies...) <P>(By the way, Arathor, I note that you are from Kentucky. Did you check out the post (I think it’s in N & N) called “lighting up”? It actually has to do with pipes and the Shire, and I make mention of Kentucky influencing Tolkien’s image of the Shire)