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***Mister Underhill*** · 02-15-2001, 02:14 PM

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Re: Whoa!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> from October 24-26, 2000 regarding whether Dwarves grew their own crops/tended animals willingly <hr></blockquote>Not willingly, but what about in times of need? Also in the course of those arguments Saulotus pointed out that the Men of the Alliance to the east "were diminished and scattered, and those that lingered on in their old regions were impoverished, and lived mostly in caves or in the borders of the Forest." This doesn't sound like the basis for a trading partner that would be sending large volumes of foodstuffs to the East Gate. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I also came across a post by Sir Underhill conceding that the Dwarves traded to the East, at least after Eregion was laid waste. In my profession, this is known as either a "prior inconsistent statement" or an "admission". <hr></blockquote>Trying to catch me with your lawyer tricks, eh? "You can't handle the truth!" <img src=wink.gif ALT="

"> If we could have the court reporter read back from the record, you'd see that I conceded that the Dwarves may have traded to the east, but I didn't say the traded exclusively to the east, nor that this was their sole source of food. Plus, now that I have a few more resources to draw from, I can make more informed arguments. And anyway, as Walt Whitman said, "Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself (I am large, I contain multitudes)." <img src=smile.gif ALT="

"> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Advocates have dredged up both logic-based and text-based arguments regarding the existence of additional entrances to Moria on the East side. <hr></blockquote>I haven't seen any text-based support of additional entrances/exits. Indeed, the bulk of the textual evidence seems to support a single gate theory.

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000005>Mister Underhill</A> at: 2/15/01 3:17:01 pm

02-15-2001, 02:14 PM	#80
*Mister Underhill* Dread Horseman Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Behind you! Posts: 2,744	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 448</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Whoa! <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> from October 24-26, 2000 regarding whether Dwarves grew their own crops/tended animals willingly <hr></blockquote>Not willingly, but what about in times of need? Also in the course of those arguments Saulotus pointed out that the Men of the Alliance to the east "were diminished and scattered, and those that lingered on in their old regions were impoverished, and lived mostly in caves or in the borders of the Forest." This doesn't sound like the basis for a trading partner that would be sending large volumes of foodstuffs to the East Gate. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I also came across a post by Sir Underhill conceding that the Dwarves traded to the East, at least after Eregion was laid waste. In my profession, this is known as either a "prior inconsistent statement" or an "admission". <hr></blockquote>Trying to catch me with your lawyer tricks, eh? "You can't handle the truth!" <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> If we could have the court reporter read back from the record, you'd see that I conceded that the Dwarves may have traded to the east, but I didn't say the traded exclusively* to the east, nor that this was their sole source of food. Plus, now that I have a few more resources to draw from, I can make more informed arguments. And anyway, as Walt Whitman said, "Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself (I am large, I contain multitudes)." <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> Advocates have dredged up both logic-based and text-based arguments regarding the existence of additional entrances to Moria on the East side. <hr></blockquote>I haven't seen any text-based support of additional entrances/exits. Indeed, the bulk of the textual evidence seems to support a single gate theory. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000005>Mister Underhill</A> at: 2/15/01 3:17:01 pm*