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Old 02-20-2003, 11:55 AM   #13
Inderjit Sanghera
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Elven hair colour was not so totally dependent upon kindred. The Vanyar were mainly blonde; much of the Noldor were dark-haired. These are not absolute by any means. The only Noldor we're told much of (and given their hair colour) is the royal house - one family does not dictate the entire hair colour of a kindred, even if it is the royal house. You have to remember - all elves came from the original 144 that awoke. They didn't separate by hair colour, name their kindreds, and mate. That would silly-posted by Legolas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Did you not see the word MOST, in my quote? I never said ALL the Noldor and Telerin Elves had an exclusive hair colour, I was stating that the majority did. Maybe our conceptions of ‘most’ differ .By most, I mean 80%ish. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>“ The name referred to the hair of the Minyar (Vanyar), which was in nearly all members of the clan yellow or deep golden. This was regarded as a beautiful feature by the Noldor, though they were themselves mainly dark haired…Owing to intermarriage the golden hair of the Vanya sometimes later appeared among the Noldor…” Quendi and Eldar; HoME 11 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Though quoting ‘of Quendi and Eldar’ is quite a slippery slope, so to speak, since Tolkien describes it as being a ‘Elvish fairytale.’<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Nowhere does it say Rivendell was "mainly Noldor."-posted by Legolas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You're right, but I'm drawing my conclusion from these quotes:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>“ When news of this reached Gil-Galad, he sent a force under Elrond half-Elven” Unfinished Tales; Of Galadriel and Celeborn <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> “Elrond had gathered such few of the Elves of Eregion as had escaped, but he had no force to withstand the onset….Elrond was able to extricate himself, but he was forced away northward, and it was at that time that he established a refuge and stronghold in Imladris” -Unfinished Tales; Of Galadriel and Celeborn <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> “But as he ravaged the land, slaying or drawing off the remaining groups of men, and hunting the remaining Elves…”-Unfinished Tales; Of Galadriel and Celeborn<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Judging from this, the main Elven population of Rivendell would’ve been compromised of Elrond’s force under Gil-galad and the Elves of Eregion, and most of the Elves of Eregion were Noldor. I think that most of Elrond’s force would’ve been made of elves of Forlindon, where the majority of the population would’ve been Noldor, whereas most the Sindar dwelt in Harlindon.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> “The country of old had been named Lindon by the Noldor…and many of the Eldar still dwelt there…” -The Silmarillion; Akallabeth <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> “The Elves of Harlindon, or Lindon south of Lune, are said to be largely of Sindarin origin” - Unfinished Tales; Of Galadriel and Celeborn; notes <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So we can see that the majority of Rivendell might’ve been Noldor in the beginning with some Sindar, though Elves of other kindred’s may have joined them. The Elves who were hunted by Sauron may have been a combination of refuges of Eregion and wandering Nandor, from Denethor’s host.
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