[Tar-Palantir]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> In fact, some of the views that have since been very clearly expressed on this thread (and others) go a good way towards providing the explanation that I was looking for.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree Mr. SaucepanMan. And I feel like I understand more where the Willie and Lindil camp is coming from. I speak for myself only when I say this, but quite frankly it is easy to get intimidated by some of these firmly worded, obviously well informed, lengthy, and generally eloquently worded posts. This being the case, it does occasionally feel as though there are "angry Orcs" running about and putting the less knowledgeable of JRRT on the defensive. I am not defending posts that are worthy of rebuke, just sharing that maybe it goes with the territory in a 'movie' forum. <P>Now! To the subject at hand. Arwen, the scene stealing she-devil, is a problem chiefly because she is not supposed to be there. What does this mean? <BR>1)The story is changed<BR>2)This creates a need to cut others pieces out<BR>3)They cut out Glorfindel, shortened time in TTT for the other characters' (Fangorn for instance)<BR>4)You now have a new central character, meaning her role in RotK will be expanded too, which in turn means other events/timelines of RotK will be cut out or altered to suit her.<BR>5)They have to make up dialogue for her since JRRT did not write much of it, this can seem out of place and cheeeesy.<BR>6) etc...<P>I disagree with PJ knocking in this instance (unless he botches RotK beyond recall) because I think he thought he HAD to do it (rightly or wrongly we'll never know, we can only guess), and it was not solely for money. Dollars to donuts (remember that phrase Willie? ) it was Fran Walsh and Phillipa Boyens that convinced him of it. He was brainwashed!<P>PS- Willie and Lindil - sorry to call you a 'camp', but I think you know what I mean.