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**lindil** · 01-30-2003, 02:39 PM

All quotes are from Rindowen: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>However, as you said, this IS a discussion board and we are allowed to say what we please. I said what I pleased, trying not to be offensive in any way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.You were tryng to stifle criticism of the movie by saying each person who does so should make their own. That has been done so many times it is has been formally dis-allowed. Estelyn has specifically rlued such an across the board absurdity [200 miliion as the price to criticize ] as not within the bounds of polite discourse allowed here at the Downs. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>You are correct in assuming that I am not as "steeped" in the books as you are! Although I have read the books, I do not pretend to know all that they contain. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nor do I. My point was not 'I have read it more times than you so I ____[fill in the blank].' But that to people who have spent decades experiencing a very refined peice of art in it's original form are then offered another interpretation, those steeped in the original will experience the movies very differently from those who see the movies first or perhaps after one reading. I not knowing your previous experience of the books did not make any assumptions re: your exsposure to the Books, and only spoke for myself. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>That said, I think it is important to note that LoTR is fiction and not something to get so incredibly emotional about!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can assure, I am not emotional about it[although some will argue that should not matter]at all [in the sense of worked up or angry or defensive]. I am simply stating my views forcefully and I hope clearly. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>It is a brilliant work, certainly! But is it worth being disrespectful to others?! I choose to think not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am sorry, how was I disrespectful? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I agree that criticism can be healthy. But I think that the WAYS in which people here are criticizing JP is deplorable!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is anyone criticizing PJ? I had not noticed that, although I do not read to many movie threads. I have however seen alot of criticism of his movie and especially his interpretation. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think the use of the word "bastar[d]izing" is cruel.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You may think of it as cruel if you like, but it is meant, rather literally in the sense of the movie being debased, corrupt American Heritage Dictionary [2nd college edition]. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I also think that judging him for wanting to make a living is wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I did not do so. I did say <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I agree with the thought that PJ did way more for commercial acceptance than needs be. He was guaranteed a blockbuster, just by virtue of the budget he had and the material he was working with and a great cast. The hoo-ha that he had to make it more commercial is tripe. He could have made it far more faithful and still made hundreds of millions. Sure sexing it up with Arwen probably set a few hearts a flutter, but it's abscence would hardly have doomed the movies.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>quotes from Rindowen resumed: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I also understand that folks are going to have a "jaded" image of the books if they've seen the movies first. But isn't that still better than never to have read the books at all?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you saying that the "author of the Century/Book of the Century" needs a movie for advertisement? hmmm.... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Thank you for your welcome! I appreciate it! I have so far very much enjoyed my stay at Barrow-Downs! I only hope that I won't be run out of here by angry Orcs who can't stand to here an opposing position! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are weoclme for the welcome, and relax, no one will run you out of here, some do choose to leave though due to the orientation of the Downs as primarily a literary Discussion board that happens to have a movie forum.by the way you weren't calling me an angry orc were you? darkside, I am glad you appreciated my analogy. I think it really cut's to the heart of the responsibility anyone who approaches a work like the LotR truly has.[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

01-30-2003, 02:39 PM	#61
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	All quotes are from Rindowen:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>However, as you said, this IS a discussion board and we are allowed to say what we please. I said what I pleased, trying not to be offensive in any way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.<P>You were tryng to stifle criticism of the movie by saying each person who does so should make their own. That has been done so many times it is has been formally dis-allowed.<BR>Estelyn has specifically rlued such an across the board absurdity [200 miliion as the price to criticize ] as not within the bounds of polite discourse allowed here at the Downs.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>You are correct in assuming that I am not as "steeped" in the books as you are! Although I have read the books, I do not pretend to know all that they contain. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Nor do I. My point was not 'I have read it more times than you so I ____[fill in the blank].' But that to people who have spent decades experiencing a very refined peice of art in it's original form are then offered another interpretation, those steeped in the original will experience the movies very differently from those who see the movies first or perhaps after one reading. I not knowing your previous experience of the books did not make any assumptions re: your exsposure to the Books, and only spoke for myself.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>That said, I think it is important to note that LoTR is fiction and not something to get so incredibly emotional about!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I can assure, I am not emotional about it[although some will argue that should not matter]at all [in the sense of worked up or angry or defensive]. I am simply stating my views forcefully and I hope clearly.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>It is a brilliant work, certainly! But is it worth being disrespectful to others?! I choose to think not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am sorry, how was I disrespectful?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I agree that criticism can be healthy. But I think that the WAYS in which people here are criticizing JP is deplorable!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Is anyone criticizing PJ? I had not noticed that, although I do not read to many movie threads. I have however seen alot of criticism of his movie and especially his interpretation.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think the use of the word "bastar[d]izing" is cruel.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You may think of it as cruel if you like, but it is meant, rather literally in the sense of the movie being <I>debased, corrupt</I> American Heritage Dictionary [2nd college edition].<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I also think that judging him for wanting to make a living is wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I did not do so. I did say <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I agree with the thought that PJ did way more for commercial acceptance than needs be. He was guaranteed a blockbuster, just by virtue of the budget he had and the material he was working with and a great cast.<BR>The hoo-ha that he had to make it more commercial is tripe. He could have made it far more faithful and still made hundreds of millions. Sure sexing it up with Arwen probably set a few hearts a flutter, but it's abscence would hardly have doomed the movies.<P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>quotes from Rindowen resumed:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR><P>I also understand that folks are going to have a "jaded" image of the books if they've seen the movies first. But isn't that still better than never to have read the books at all?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Are you saying that the "author of the Century/Book of the Century" needs a movie for advertisement? hmmm....<P> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Thank you for your welcome! I appreciate it! I have so far very much enjoyed my stay at Barrow-Downs! I only hope that I won't be run out of here by angry Orcs who can't stand to here an opposing position! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You are weoclme for the welcome, and relax, no one will run you out of here, some do choose to leave though due to the orientation of the Downs as primarily a literary Discussion board that happens to have a movie forum.<P>by the way you weren't calling me an angry orc were you? <P>darkside, I am glad you appreciated my analogy. I think it really cut's to the heart of the responsibility anyone who approaches a work like the LotR truly has.<p>[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.