The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum - View Single Post - why don't people like arwen in the movie?

**lindil** · 01-30-2003, 09:51 AM

Welcome to the downs Rinodowen, although you have picked a real mordorian thornbush to jum into early on ! All quotes are from Rinodowen: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"What JP did, in a sense, was bring this incredible story out to a wider audience!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>True, in a moderately bastardized form. As I said before I don't hate the movies, but it is sad that he succombed to the old saying about editors:They are like dogs... because they don't like the smell of anything unless it has their pi$$ on it.No offense meant at all Rinodwen, but how many times have you read the LotR? I have read it at least 20X's since 1977 or so.It means alot to me on may levels, that is why I am at the Downs [feel free to see what I AM working on - instead of another LotR movie btw by hitting the Silm link below in my sig]. My point being that If someone is going to make a film of the widely acknowledged and voted upon Book of the Century, they are going to hear about just how well they did from the lovers of Tolien at the Barrow-Downs!Maybe every other Fan-board out there is unanimous in their unstinted praise for the movies, but the Downs is by definition of it's founder, first and foremost a Site dedicated to the Writings of JRRT.It tends to be a relatively sophisticated, well read and well educated [myself being a glaring exception ] crowd, that does not at all appreciate beig told, "make your own movie or..", As I have had need to say several times on this particular forum, this is a Discussion Board, every one is free to discuss, criticize, rewrite, emmend, and dissect, any part of any of the films or animations. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>What JP did, in a sense, was bring this incredible story out to a wider audience! Hurray!! Book sales have SOARED since TFoTR was released! Isn't that FANTASTIC!?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, but this further illustrates my point. People now have distorted views [especially regarding Arwen and say framir] to contend with. The impression a major production movie, shown in a large theatre is immense and I would imagenfor the average human it would take many re-reads to counteract or clear the images formed by the movie, if it can be done at all. There are several threads devoted to this very topic. I am glad many more folks are reading [at all!] and JRRT in particular, but it is bittersweet knowing that they will be reading through PJ's flawed filter.Also please, if you seee a thread is titled in such a way that criticism is bound to be abundant inside, do not be so suprised. There are several threads in this forum where it is a giant praise fest for ol' PJ and his movies. Folks like myself who have criticisms aplenty, also should leave those threads to their topics. ANd not be wet blankets. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>even if some of the little details were changed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> if it were only little details, hardly anyone here would criticize, but Faramir's character was destroyed, [and on this you can read JRRT's own words in a thread or floating around], Aragorn's motives were completely rearranged as were Elrond's. There are of course many other major divergences [ and I am not talking about omissions such as the Barrow-Downs and Tom Bombadil - that nearly everyone agree's had to go due to time restraints] that could be mentioned, but they are abundantly catalouged elswhere, I am trying to address your point that makes the changes all seem minor in nature,To anyone well-steeped in the books they are not. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can all sit here and talk about how you would have filmed this differently.. well, then DO it! I challenge you! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is an attitude that is not allowed. You have [perhaps without intending] invalidated the right to criticize by saying 'make yuor own'. As the Founder of the board [ the Barrow-Wight] and the Mod [Estelyn] have both said " this is a Discussion Board and discussions, criticism's, commentary and analysis are allowed and encouraged.I realize you are new here, so this may perhaps be new , if you have not been lurking for a while. So I do not wish to be a ton of bricks coming down on you. But please do not resort to the 'make your own movie line' anymore. It is a very worn-out and authoritatively proscribed reaction.Again [ and I do mean it] welcome to the Downs [ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

01-30-2003, 09:51 AM	#54
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Welcome to the downs Rinodowen, although you have picked a real mordorian thornbush to jum into early on !<P><BR>All quotes are from Rinodowen:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"What JP did, in a sense, was bring this incredible story out to a wider audience!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True, in a moderately bastardized form. <BR>As I said before I don't hate the movies, but it is sad that he succombed to the old saying about editors:<P>They are like dogs... because they don't like the smell of anything unless it has their pi$$ on it.<P>No offense meant at all Rinodwen, but how many times have you read the LotR? I have read it at least 20X's since 1977 or so.<P>It means alot to me on may levels, that is why I am at the Downs [feel free to see what I AM working on - instead of another LotR movie btw by hitting the Silm link below in my sig]. My point being that If someone is going to make a film of the widely acknowledged and voted upon Book of the Century, they are going to hear about just how well they did from the lovers of Tolien at the Barrow-Downs!<P>Maybe every other Fan-board out there is unanimous in their unstinted praise for the movies, but the Downs is by definition of it's founder, first and foremost a Site dedicated to the <I>Writings</I> of JRRT.<P>It tends to be a relatively sophisticated, well read and well educated [myself being a glaring exception ] crowd, that does not at all appreciate beig told, "make your own movie or..", As I have had need to say several times on this particular forum, this is a <B>Discussion Board</B>, every one is free to discuss, <B>criticize</B>, rewrite, emmend, and dissect, any part of any of the films or animations.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>What JP did, in a sense, was bring this incredible story out to a wider audience! Hurray!! Book sales have SOARED since TFoTR was released! Isn't that FANTASTIC!?!<P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, but this further illustrates my point. People now have distorted views [especially regarding Arwen and say framir] to contend with. The impression a major production movie, shown in a large theatre is immense and I would imagenfor the average human it would take many re-reads to counteract or clear the images formed by the movie, if it can be done at all. There are several threads devoted to this very topic.<BR>I am glad many more folks are reading [at all!] and JRRT in particular, but it is bittersweet knowing that they will be reading through PJ's flawed filter.<P>Also please, if you seee a thread is titled in such a way that criticism is bound to be abundant inside, do not be so suprised. There are several threads in this forum where it is a giant praise fest for ol' PJ and his movies. Folks like myself who have criticisms aplenty, also should leave those threads to their topics. ANd not be wet blankets.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>even if some of the little details were changed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>if it were only little details, hardly anyone here would criticize, but Faramir's character was destroyed, [and on this you can read JRRT's own words in a thread or floating around], Aragorn's motives were completely rearranged as were Elrond's. <P>There are of course many other major divergences [ and I am not talking about omissions such as the Barrow-Downs and Tom Bombadil - that nearly everyone agree's had to go due to time restraints] that could be mentioned, but they are abundantly catalouged elswhere, I am trying to address your point that makes the changes all seem minor in nature,To anyone well-steeped in the books they are not. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can all sit here and talk about how you would have filmed this differently.. well, then DO it! I challenge you! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This is an attitude that is not allowed. You have [perhaps without intending] invalidated the right to criticize by saying 'make yuor own'. <P>As the Founder of the board [ the Barrow-Wight] and the Mod [Estelyn] have both said " this is a <B>Discussion Board</B> and discussions, <B>criticism's</B>, commentary and analysis are allowed and encouraged.<P>I realize you are new here, so this may perhaps be new , if you have not been lurking for a while. So I do not wish to be a ton of bricks coming down on you. But please do not resort to the 'make your own movie line' anymore. It is a very worn-out and authoritatively proscribed reaction.<P>Again [ and I do mean it] welcome to the Downs <p>[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.