[*Varda*]

Mornie, does it not occur to you that there is good magic in Harry Potter as well? And does it also not occur to you that very likely both Sauron and Saruman used evil magic to hurt others? As for no evidence you have shown nothing to prove HP has occultic practices. You're saying your opinion and trying to present it as fact. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Then Sauron shifted shape, from wolf to serpent, and from monster to his own accustomed form <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Silmarillion, Of Beren and Luthien<P>Is that not considered evil magic? Shapeshifting?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Her will strove with him for a while, but he put forth his power, and having learned who she was he constrained her to gaze into his eyes, and he laid a spell of utter darkness and forgetfulness upon her, so that she could remember nothing that had ever befallen her, nor her own name, nor the name of any other thing, and for many days she could neither hear, nor see, nor stir by her own will. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Silmarillion, Of Turin Turambar<P>Because that's such a nice thing to do to somebody...that's not evil at all! j/k That leads her to marrying her brother...worse than you'd find in HP.<P>To be perfectly honest Mornie, the 'evil' things you're whittering on about in HP aren't really much compared to the things that happen throughout LotR and the Silmarillion. The quotes I found were probably some of the milder ones as I haven't read it all yet. <P>Why is such magic unacceptable in Harry Potter and not LotR?<P>Oh, and Mornie, if you say we have shown no evidence and that all we say is that HP doesn't have occultic practices you're clearly not reading the posts we write. As for your 'occultic' practices and Rowling studying them, I've heard of everything you mentioned and I've never been interested in Occultic practices. It's general knowledge.<p>[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: *Varda* ]