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Guinevere · 01-01-2003, 02:45 PM

I agree with all those who are disappointed with the portrayal of Faramir. Child of the 7th age (and others) have already expressed what I think as well. The spoiling of his character really bothers me a lot, since he is one of my favourites in the book, and those chapters with his long conversation with Frodo are some of the most touching and exciting for me. In the film, Faramir`s character is not only wrong, but not developed at all. There are even several original quotations from the book , but they get a different meaning in the film because they are not complete and/or are taken out of the context.e.g. “Well Frodo, now at last we understand one another” says Faramir in the film, but in the book he continues “If you took this thing on yourself, unwilling, at other`s asking, then you have pity and honour from me.” And THAT is meant by “understanding”.! In the film it just means that he has found out that Frodo has the One Ring. And this threatening speech of Faramir “So that is the answer to all the riddles (…………….) a chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality” . Also here, the implication in the film is different, since it is ripped out of the context. In the book Sam had previously said “Now`s a chance to show your quality. (Meaning of course, if he can resist the ring and prove true to his previous word: “Not if I found it on the highway would I take it”) And finally Sam says “You took the chance, Sir, and showed your quality: the very highest.” Faramir`s reply “…..I HAD NO LURE OR DESIRE TO DO OTHER THAN I HAVE DONE.” shows a world of difference to the film character!! And I don’t think it`s possible to “amend “ this in the 3rd film.!Here`s another quotation from Tolkien`s letter #210 : _____________________________________________ ______________________________ “I do earnestly hope that in the assignment of actual speeches to the characters they will be represented as I have presented them: in style and sentiment. I should resent perversion of the characters even more than the spoiling of the plot and scenery” ______________________________________________ _____________________________I wish the script writers had read this, before making all those unnecessary changes!

01-01-2003, 02:45 PM	#25
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	I agree with all those who are disappointed with the portrayal of Faramir. Child of the 7th age (and others) have already expressed what I think as well. <BR> The spoiling of his character really bothers me a lot, since he is one of my favourites in the book, and those chapters with his long conversation with Frodo are some of the most touching and exciting for me. <BR>In the film, Faramir`s character is not only wrong, but not developed at all. <P>There are even several original quotations from the book , but they get a different meaning in the film because they are not complete and/or are taken out of the context.<P>e.g. “Well Frodo, now at last we understand one another” says Faramir in the film, but in the book he continues “If you took this thing on yourself, unwilling, at other`s asking, then you have pity and honour from me.”<BR>And THAT is meant by “understanding”.! In the film it just means that he has found out that Frodo has the One Ring. <P>And this threatening speech of Faramir “So that is the answer to all the riddles (…………….) a chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality” . Also here, the implication in the film is different, since it is ripped out of the context. <BR>In the book Sam had previously said “Now`s a chance to show your quality. (Meaning of course, if he can resist the ring and prove true to his previous word: “Not if I found it on the highway would I take it”) And finally Sam says “You took the chance, Sir, and showed your quality: the very highest.”<BR>Faramir`s reply “…..I HAD NO LURE OR DESIRE TO DO OTHER THAN I HAVE DONE.” shows a world of difference to the film character!!<BR>And I don’t think it`s possible to “amend “ this in the 3rd film.!<P>Here`s another quotation from Tolkien`s letter #210 :<BR>_____________________________________________ ______________________________<BR>“I do earnestly hope that in the assignment of actual speeches to the characters they will be represented as I have presented them: in style and sentiment. I should resent perversion of the characters even more than the spoiling of the plot and scenery” <BR>______________________________________________ _____________________________<P>I wish the script writers had read this, before making all those unnecessary changes! __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!