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doug*platypus · 12-30-2002, 09:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The hobbits bowed low. 'Most gracious host,' said Frodo, 'it was said to me by Elrond Halfelven that I should find friendship upon the way, secret and unlooked for. Certainly I looked for no such friendship as you have shown. To have found it turns evil to great good.' <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks, 7Child, for providing the quote - saves me looking it up (at least after correcting your typos!). This for me is the essence of the Two Towers Faramir. When Frodo meets him, I see Faramir as not so much a character in his own right, but as a part of Frodo's journey. He fulfils the exact same as Galadriel in the first movie, harbouring the fugitives from danger, allowing the plot to slow down a little, and giving both characters and audience a much needed rest. The entire world is not evil, and friendship may be found where you never thought to look for it. Important themes. That was why cutting Lorien so harshly in the initial cut of FOTR was such a crime, because it removed a lot of the beautiful, peaceful side of Middle-Earth. Same with Frodo's journey in TTT. Thanks to the Butchering of Faramir, the only respite that Frodo and the audience get from danger is the short cooking scene. If the danger never lessens, then the impact of the big dramatic scenes like Shelob are lost. Maybe that's why PJ had to put the Nazgul in, because he lost so much when he Moved Shelob. A movie needs ups and downs, so to me the Butchering of Faramir was much worse for Frodo and the audience than it was for Faramir.And once again, by tinkering with such a great work PJ's version has started to bulge at the seams and unravel, like a polo shirt two sizes too small, revealing the flabby interior of the plot. Faramir: "we're taking the ring to Gondor!" Faramir, later: "no, actually, now we've come all this way, I don't think we will. Goodbye, and sorry to have cost you about a week's journey and not given you any more food. Fare well!"I still hold out hope for the ROTK Faramir, though, I'm sure his daddy issues will make good viewing.

12-30-2002, 09:32 PM	#21
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The hobbits bowed low. 'Most gracious host,' said Frodo, 'it was said to me by Elrond Halfelven that I should find friendship upon the way, secret and unlooked for. Certainly I looked for no such friendship as you have shown. To have found it turns evil to great good.' <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks, 7Child, for providing the quote - saves me looking it up (at least after correcting your typos!). This for me is the essence of the Two Towers Faramir. When Frodo meets him, I see Faramir as not so much a character in his own right, but as a part of Frodo's journey. He fulfils the exact same as Galadriel in the first movie, harbouring the fugitives from danger, allowing the plot to slow down a little, and giving both characters and audience a much needed rest. The entire world is not evil, and friendship may be found where you never thought to look for it. Important themes. That was why cutting Lorien so harshly in the initial cut of FOTR was such a crime, because it removed a lot of the beautiful, peaceful side of Middle-Earth. <P>Same with Frodo's journey in TTT. Thanks to the Butchering of Faramir, the only respite that Frodo and the audience get from danger is the short cooking scene. If the danger never lessens, then the impact of the big dramatic scenes like Shelob are lost. Maybe that's why PJ had to put the Nazgul in, because he lost so much when he Moved Shelob. A movie needs ups and downs, so to me the Butchering of Faramir was much worse for Frodo and the audience than it was for Faramir.<P>And once again, by tinkering with such a great work PJ's version has started to bulge at the seams and unravel, like a polo shirt two sizes too small, revealing the flabby interior of the plot. <P>Faramir: "we're taking the ring to Gondor!" <P>Faramir, later: "no, actually, now we've come all this way, I don't think we will. Goodbye, and sorry to have cost you about a week's journey and not given you any more food. Fare well!"<P>I still hold out hope for the ROTK Faramir, though, I'm sure his daddy issues will make good viewing. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.