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Old 07-21-2003, 12:39 PM   #16
Amarie of the Vanyar
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Goldberry did not have children, as far as we know, but she was the daugther of the River-woman [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

And about Ungoliant she is not part of Arda, and in this quote it is suggested that she is older than Arda, at least this is how I understand the words 'in the beginning' [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Quote:
The Eldar knew not whence she came; but some have said that in ages long before she descended from the darkness that lies about Arda, when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwë, and that in the beginning she was one of those that he corrupted to his service
Of the Darkening of Valinor; The Silmarillion
EDIT:
Lindil, I have read your post after writing mine [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
I agree that from these words Ungoliant seems to be a Maia. The only problem is that she had children. Was Ungoliant an exception, like Melian, or was Melian the only exception?

Quote:
Melian alone of all those spirits assumed a bodily form, not only as a raiment but as a permanent habitation in form and powers like to the bodies of the Elves
The Shibboleth of Fëanor, note 53, HoME 12
From this quote it seems that Melian was the only exception, but maybe this was not Tolkien's final decission on the subject ...

[ July 21, 2003: Message edited by: Amarie of the Vanyar ]
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