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Old 07-05-2003, 01:18 PM   #68
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I firmly believe that there were ways in which the same good could have been acheived without the suffering inflicted along the way
The only way that could've happened is if the Valar and the Teleri wouldn't have hindered the Noldor, because like I showed earlier, at that point in the Silmarillion they had to get back to ME ASAP in order to bring about much of the good they accomplished.

What should've happened? Should the inflamed Noldor who had lost their king and treasure and were setting out with the righteous intention to battle Morgoth be expected to act differently? It was hardly possible. Plus Morgoth would've overrun the world if they wouldn't have returned.

It would have been so much easier for the Valar to just say, "Okay, you can go if you want." And since the elves had to be taken across the sea to Valinor with the aid of the Valar, the Valar should've provided some means of returning to ME.

Does it seem ridiculous to anyone else that the Valar weren't "hindering" the Noldor's march, yet they knew good and well that there wasn't any known way to leave (except by the ships of the Teleri, which they had under their thumb)? The Valar were willing to let the Noldor rebel because they didn't think they'd get anywhere (and the Sil even says that they didn't think Feanor could hold the Noldor to his will).

The Valar were really acting unwise in this whole ordeal. "Hey Olwe, the Noldor are going against our will, so what do you say when they ask to use your ships? Good boy. Okay Noldor, we won't hinder your purpose to leave Valinor... (snicker)... (Hey guys, I don't think there's really any way for them to leave anyway, hee hee)."

Well, I doubt they were actually laughing, but you get my point. What did the Valar expect to happen? I insist that this is one case where the Valar were completely unprepared and just totally bungled and mismanaged the whole situation.

Their actions and/or lack of actions caused Feanor to be left with no other way to complete his destiny other than the way he did it.
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