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Old 07-03-2003, 06:47 AM   #50
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in chase of a pretty dangerous Dark Lord, the most powerful of the Valar no less, and a fearsome and gigantic spider with a serious over-eating problem. That seems to me to be a fairly risky maritime undertaking
Only if 1- Melkor and Ungoliant had suddenly taken to swimming, and 2- Ulmo, Osse, and Uinen refused to ensure their safety (in the unlikely event that Melkor suddenly decided he didn't hate water anymore, was no longer afraid of it, and had learned to control it overnight).

The voyage seems pretty safe to me.
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(speaking of Osse) Maybe not, but he might have made it difficult to actually get to ME. Setting them against the wind, altering the currents, those things would have effectively kept them from reaching their destination.
The Valar and their servants weren't supposed to hinder the Noldor's flight. The only reason the sea rose against the Noldor was because of the kin slaying. If that didn't happen, the sea wouldn't have done that, make sense?
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Since the Teleri provided the only way to reach Middle-earth again (afa the elves knew at the time) they had to borrow the ships, being ferried over, or steal the ships to get across.
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This Olwë knew, still he refused.
Yes, exactly! That's the sort of reasoning that should've been obvious to Olwe. But I guess he never thought of that. How could he not think of something so simple? Because he wasn't thinking at all, he was just going along with the Valar. If those in charge have too much influence in individual peoples' lives then those people lose their ability to make good decisions (which would reinforce their need for those in power, it creates a never ending spiral).
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