[Inderjit Sanghera]

Hmmm….Man-of-the-Wold, the two, the two things you mentioned show just why exactly Hurin was the greatest man ever, both in body and mind.

“ One great act of troll chopping?” What? Do you realise how difficult it is to kill a single troll never mind 70, who might have been even be stronger then in the Third age, when most powerful warriors could barely kill 1. No Elf, Man or Dwarf could slay 70 Trolls bar Hurin, or possibly Feanor, Fingolfin, Fingon or Maedhros when they just came into M-E. It would take a lot of stamina to kill 70 trolls, especially if it is one battle, not to mention the Orcs clambering onto him, and he slew hundreds of them.

“ Gumption to defy Morgoth” Defying Morgoth is no easy task. Beren’s most impressive deeds, in my opinion were his deeds on Dorthonion and his slaying of the giant spider/s, yet he was being guided by Eru and fate was in favour, or in other words he was a lucky bugger. Elendil and Aragorn are two of my favourite characters buyt they did nothing to rival Hurin. Elendil helped slay Sauron, but he had quite a bit of help and the Last Alliance has pretty much won the war anyway and Aragorn may have looked in the Palantir, a courageous act, but he wasn’t face to face with Sauron and Sauron is incomparable to Morgoth. Hurin had to endure years of torture, whilst watching his family fall apart. Beren stayed in Sauron’s dungeons for a few weeks or months and hadn’t even been tortured and he was pretty screwed up. You say that Beren wrote poetry, but what evidence is there that Hurin didn’t. He made a song of lament for his daughter Lalaith. Of course you are perfectly entitled to say that Beren is the greatest, and you have a strong case, but arguing is what makes forum’s so fun.