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Old 12-04-2002, 03:34 PM   #87
Helkasir
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Well,I'm not gonna get caught up in the storm, just going to add my two cents..

For all of this, we must first define "Greatest." There's loads of ways in which a person can be great. I Can't say who's better, but I'll vouch for Beren.

I heard someone say that Beren's claim to fame being "Coming back from the halls of mandos," and the someone else said, "That was all Luthien." But we miss something here. I'd vouch for Beren on this point, because I am a staunch believer in that the pen is mightier than the sword. If Beren could move the most beautiful women in the world to such tears that even Mandos, all powerful as he is, can't resist, Beren must be a truly great man. Is a man's greatness to be measured by how much blood he spills, or by his actions; for he must have truly been in love Luthien to do as he did. This isn't also to mention that he was a great (GREAT) poet, which was what moved Luthien to him in the first place.

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He did not fear death, but only captivity, and being bold and desperate he escaped both death and bonds; and the deeds pf lonely daring that he achieved were noised and abroad throughout Beleriand and the tale of them even came into doriath.
Even at young age, he was gainging fame, roaming around, etc. But there's even better stuff

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At length Morgoth set a price upon his head no less than the price upon the Head of Fingon, High King of the Noldor; but the Orcs fled rather at the rumor of his aproach than sought him out.
Morgoth must really have disliked Beren, because Beren was getting the same treatment as someone as lordly as Fingon.

He was also the only guy to scale Gorgoroth, and go through Dungortheb, facing the like of Ungoliant, evading Sauron, and then he made it through the girdle of Melian; I doubt many people who want to do that CAN.

Also not that he fought Celegorm and brought hi, a son of Feanor, down from horse. Even when the guy leaps, he gets a tale or two, cause it's mentioned as being important in the tale of Beren and Luthien. And do we really need mention that he get the only silmaril from Morgoth's crown? This guys got alot ffirsts in his Resume.
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