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Keneldil the Polka-dot · 11-25-2002, 11:30 AM

Lush you stole my remaining argument re: Beren = Tolkien.

I have another anyway: the Quenta Simarillion's central storyline is the fight to regain the Silmarils. Beren and Luthien accomplished 1/3 of that task. All the Noldor in hundreds of years of war didn't even get to see a Silmaril until the Valar intervened, except maybe Fingolfin.

After Beren regained the Silmaril from the Dwarves of Nogrod (Novgorod? ahh...reality intrudes, where are those pills [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]),Beren and Luthien were the only ones who managed possess a Silmaril in peace. And at the end of their lives they released their hold on the Simaril of their own accord, who else can say that?

I don't know what Luthien got out of the deal either, but the judgement of the greatest of the Children of Illuvatar has to weigh for something in Beren's favor.

The 70 for Hurin...was that trolls = 70 or orcs + trolls = 70? Still impressive either way.

Another idea....Luthien was the greatest of the Children. She became mortal. Wouldn't she then be the greatest woMan? I don't know that she counts for this. I've seen Elrond, Elros, and Tuor discounted for fuzzy lines between the races.

[ November 25, 2002: Message edited by: Keneldil the Polka-dot ]

11-25-2002, 11:30 AM	#49
Keneldil the Polka-dot Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 128	Lush you stole my remaining argument re: Beren = Tolkien. I have another anyway: the Quenta Simarillion's central storyline is the fight to regain the Silmarils. Beren and Luthien accomplished 1/3 of that task. All the Noldor in hundreds of years of war didn't even get to see a Silmaril until the Valar intervened, except maybe Fingolfin. After Beren regained the Silmaril from the Dwarves of Nogrod (Novgorod? ahh...reality intrudes, where are those pills [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]),Beren and Luthien were the only ones who managed possess a Silmaril in peace. And at the end of their lives they released their hold on the Simaril of their own accord, who else can say that? I don't know what Luthien got out of the deal either, but the judgement of the greatest of the Children of Illuvatar has to weigh for something in Beren's favor. The 70 for Hurin...was that trolls = 70 or orcs + trolls = 70? Still impressive either way. Another idea....Luthien was the greatest of the Children. She became mortal. Wouldn't she then be the greatest woMan? I don't know that she counts for this. I've seen Elrond, Elros, and Tuor discounted for fuzzy lines between the races. [ November 25, 2002: Message edited by: Keneldil the Polka-dot ] __________________ "Trust in the ball Jake.....and throw yourself."