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Dancing_Hobbit · 07-29-2003, 02:57 PM

I know this has already been touched on, but i need to vent somewhere. the Arwen parts of the movie made me so angry i wanted to cry. the bit in the first movie was particularly bad. Arwen is not like that!! she is not a strong warrior pricess! well, she's strong in spirit and all that, but she does NOT fight! having her ride Frodo to the ford detracted from Frodo, in that it made him look weaker than he should have been, completely removed Glorfindel, and undermines Eowyn's position as the strong warior princess. that is what bothers me the most. as far as i am concerned she was the best female character in the books (also the best developed one), but Arwen detracts from her. also, the way Eowyn was portrayed in the Two Towers movie makes her seem like a petulant little girl who thinks she can be as good a warior as a man, but can't be. the feeling i got from the book was that she WAS as good a warior as any man, and better than most.

a also think that the movies did not adequetly show Borimir as a good person who wants the best for the people he loves so much, but doesn't understand the danger of the ring, and is therefore corrupted by it. i got the sense that people who saw the movies without reading the books thought of him as weak-willed, or a bad person. my complaint is not at all with Sean Bean, who i thought did and excellent job. the problem was that too many scenes showed Borimir in a negative light and not enough showed him in a possitive one.

Sauron, was made to seem as if he had always been evil. while it is hard to explain his history and how he was corrupted in the movie, i think it could have been done, and would have produced a better character.

in general, i think almost all of the characters lost something to the movies. Frodo seemed like a weak tagalong, Pippin seemed uterly immature and helpless, and the relationship between Gimli and Legolas didn't get the same development and attention. however, it was a movie, and thus it is to be expected that it isn't as good as the books. standing alone, the movie was not as good. having read the books, i knew the background and was able to supply depth. this made the movie into and interesting and highly enjoyable story. only the a few of the character changes really bothered me.

Edit: erm...sorry about the book!

[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Dancing_Hobbit ]

07-29-2003, 02:57 PM	#79
Dancing_Hobbit Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2003 Location: A fairyland of mists and shadows deep in the emerald wood. Posts: 56	I know this has already been touched on, but i need to vent somewhere. the Arwen parts of the movie made me so angry i wanted to cry. the bit in the first movie was particularly bad. Arwen is not like that!! she is not a strong warrior pricess! well, she's strong in spirit and all that, but she does NOT fight! having her ride Frodo to the ford detracted from Frodo, in that it made him look weaker than he should have been, completely removed Glorfindel, and undermines Eowyn's position as the strong warior princess. that is what bothers me the most. as far as i am concerned she was the best female character in the books (also the best developed one), but Arwen detracts from her. also, the way Eowyn was portrayed in the Two Towers movie makes her seem like a petulant little girl who thinks she can be as good a warior as a man, but can't be. the feeling i got from the book was that she WAS as good a warior as any man, and better than most. a also think that the movies did not adequetly show Borimir as a good person who wants the best for the people he loves so much, but doesn't understand the danger of the ring, and is therefore corrupted by it. i got the sense that people who saw the movies without reading the books thought of him as weak-willed, or a bad person. my complaint is not at all with Sean Bean, who i thought did and excellent job. the problem was that too many scenes showed Borimir in a negative light and not enough showed him in a possitive one. Sauron, was made to seem as if he had always been evil. while it is hard to explain his history and how he was corrupted in the movie, i think it could have been done, and would have produced a better character. in general, i think almost all of the characters lost something to the movies. Frodo seemed like a weak tagalong, Pippin seemed uterly immature and helpless, and the relationship between Gimli and Legolas didn't get the same development and attention. however, it was a movie, and thus it is to be expected that it isn't as good as the books. standing alone, the movie was not as good. having read the books, i knew the background and was able to supply depth. this made the movie into and interesting and highly enjoyable story. only the a few of the character changes really bothered me. Edit: erm...sorry about the book! [ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Dancing_Hobbit ] __________________ Hobbits bow to nobody! ...Except their plates...