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Old 06-10-2003, 03:15 PM   #27
Balin999
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How does the line "nine for mortal men doomed to die" work? because when they had the rings, they lived (well half lived) forever. Or did it mean men are doomed to die unless they have rings?
The Line "nine for mortal men..." is out of the speech of Sauron which he made when he had forged the ring, and that was when Celebrimbor perceived him and his plans.

I guess that, for Sauron, death really was something negative, while the elves called death "the gift of Eru to men", so for them death was something positive.
And no, the Nine did not "live" any more. They were on the other side, only spirits, that's why you could only see them while wearing the ring. And I think they didn't live forever with their rings, their bodies just rotted away and their souls were left under the control of Sauron. Not really what we call life...
So that's the big difference to the Mouth, who obviously still lived, because he still had his body and was not THAT old. But he was a dumba** anyway, in my opinion. I still think that Sauron spoke through him, and when he fell into nothingness, there was not much left of his Mouth, being separated from the will that controlled him.

Maybe he ended up in a Gondorian soul asylum?
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