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Old 05-05-2002, 09:46 PM   #24
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Could the fellowship and its number be compared to the valar?
Except for the fact that there were originally 9 chief Valar, I would say no, they cannot be compared directly.

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I don't know a thing about numerology and Tolkien’s position about it
I don't know his position either, but knowing that he was concerned with the creation of a mythos in his writings, he did use many of what might be called archetypal numbers - 3,7,9 etc; numbers that play important symbolic parts in different cultures' myths.

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So I suppose that the original/ inspiration/ idea was the Lotr saga, silmarillion is an extrapolation, in order to refine and to give Lotr an history.
I think that the Silmarillion was his chief work - it was the mythos underlying and giving depth to his other Middle Earth creations.

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I have a hard time trying to imagine Lotr as a “re-cycling” vision of the silmarillion.
I never meant to imply that LOTR was a recycling of the Silmarillion. I meant to say that a culture's mythos cycles through the cultures entire history in one form or another. It's woven into the fabric of that culture and is expressed in individual ways according to the current situation in which it finds itself.

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The ainur receive as a quality one of his attribute, Melkor having a glimpse of each. Melkor’s lonely quest for himself of the light might be his way to reach Eru, not to say to become Eru perhaps. But his power can't match him. If he could get back the powers of his kinds, gathering them, would he be Equal to Eru?
Wanting to give Melkor that group vision which stays incomplete though, wouldn’t be Melkor the result Eru’s pride? And knowing more than the others, Melkor might long to reach the perfection, searching to be the unique. Only there already was an unique.
This is not a difficult concept for me, on a personal level, to understand. It is a Buddhist concept that there is an identity of the Relative and the Absolute. Melkor, from the Buddhist point of view, need only stop 'trying' to reach perfection and realize it is already an accomplished fact.

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Until the day he would understood acceptance of his state of avatar and the sharing will, then redemption could be a possibility
Yes, and since he has all the time in the whole of creation to realize this, he may yet be redeemed!

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Sauron and the unique ring could be the result of this motivation but simplified throught the time flow and the lost knowledge of the new age to an evil/good fight
Sauron and his history seems to me another cycling of the mythos.

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The second part about Boromir and the breaking of the fellowship is on his way for the next post;
Awaiting this next post of yours eagerly!!!

Good thinking! Good questions!!
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