Passionate and open thread! I'm impressed by so deep insights.
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Kalessin about Tolkien's work not only
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we enter it as it enters us, and experience an unchallenged personal sense of identification and understanding.
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but it grows in you and you grow with it.
Pertinent and fascinating points were unraveled about Melkor and I'm sure, encouraging them, that others various arguments/thoughts will come still in the future as our perception will evolve with our experience.
I can't give a complete opinion about Melkor because I haven't found some parts of the puzzle in the background of my own perspectives and for the moment it is just a rough:
Melkor might have made the choice to be the anthesis of what he was destined to by Eru, because he is not Eru but just a part of him.
A part of the puzzle Eru, which is not allowed to have the complete vision. So he doesn't know where is his place and looks deseperatly for it even if it means to create his own place in the puzzle.
The question could also be ask as who from Eru/ Melkor create what Morgoth was with the hunch that both of them are involved...
Out of topic:
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Kelessin:
A Buddhist might argue that God is merely the understandable personification of the self as divine, or at a most abstract level (infinite, and outside of existence) a mythologised aspiration to liberation or nirvana.
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The notion God/ buddhism questions me :
Wouldn't it be an occidental vision which often considers Buddism as equivalent of a religion in the sense Christian, Islam are a religion?
For the people who grew with buddism preceptes, it is rather like a way of life, moral and thinking than a "faith" in a omniscient and all creative Power upper humanity.
Buddha was a man and his story is the story of a human being 's evolution. By loosing all his samsara (material world) attributes,he succeeded in reaching a state of spiritual essence, part of the nothingness Nirvana. Nirvana where he would be freed from of all human pains and desires.
I don't really know if the ones who reach nirvana might be called" a personification of their self as divine" as they are in a abslolute dimension ,from my pov of the oriental view, where no gods even exists.
One of my feelings is:
Occidental beliefs tend to think that God is that absolute, Oriental ones that absolute is above godS.
Ok, that maybe geeky after all! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]