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Old 02-27-2003, 04:31 PM   #188
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OK. Now for Frodo hearing Cami's plea to Varda-- I'm not so sure that he would have. I will roll with whatever you folks like; but it seems to me that prayer and Osanwe are two different things. Osanwe is the meeting of soul and spirit and heart over distance (I believe significantly helped by Eru, developed as a skill but dependant on his grace, I think. That's my personal take on it anyway.)

However, Prayer works because of the omniscience and omnipresence of Eru-- he hears you because he's there all the time and he sees and hears every thought in every heart-- not because you are good at Osanwe.

In terms of How Did Varda hear it then-- I have to believe that Eru passed the message from Cami to Varda. Frodo would not have heard it unless Eru also brought the message to him-- which Eru can easily do, but would he with such a private, intimate plea? I believe, only if Cami's well-being needed Frodo's participation.

I suppose that's some Catholic theology at work, and some evangelical bible thrown in, but there it is... now, having said that, Cami, you choose. It's your plea! I'll play as you see fit.

(My own opinion of Osanwe is that Eru (in the person of the Holy Spirit, or "The Flame Imperishable") is the message bearer. How's that for explosive controversy! What a great matter a little fire kindleth...)

Anyway, Cami, let me know and I will have Frodo hear or not hear however much or little as you would like.
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