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Old 05-29-2002, 12:57 PM   #5
Maédhros
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I say no, they were not destined. Rather, they were predisposed due to their human failings, jealousy, and mortality, and therefore likely to fall. I mean, what a set up. Paradise only inches away. Few could meet such a challenge. But that's the point of being given free will: that some may meet it, without the mechanations of the Valar. Or of destiny.
I mean, you are only slightly away from paradise and your whole people had a ban on them not to travel west. Men is always seeking the unknow, it was only matter of time that they would have tried that.
Look at what the valar did. The created this island where you could see the "paradise" of gods and elves which cannot die. Why couldn't they put it in a place where the temptation would be less.
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