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**lindil** · 02-07-2001, 10:49 AM

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the base master of treachery

Clearly sauron had daunted the will and blunted the nobleness of Denethor. But Denethor was a prideful man from the begining.
Instead of being grateful for Thorongil's help [not to mention learning to keep tabs on Umbar and conduct
"seal" type commando activity activity ] he was jealous and while he did not desire to be King as did Boromir , he sure wanted to rule as one and not see one around [although to be fair a prejudice against the Northern line was far older than he]. But he asked for no help or counsel from Gandalf ,maintained no ties w/ the Wise [whose emmisaries Gandalf and Thorongil were- if he had but the eyes to see as did his son Faaramir and his [br-in- law ?] Imraihil.

He may have become aware that Aragorn had acquired the Palantir of Orthanc, and thus been confirmed of his Identity.
I would imagine that he also felt less ureof Gandalf after learning of Sauruman's betrayel. I imagine Denethor had harsh words to G. over the 'Wise's' failure to monitor and even combat their own.

Although Denethor could have seen that Sauruman was building a dark Army -we have no clue that he ever did.
In the end I think he had been poisoned as surely as Theoden but would accept no healing.

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02-07-2001, 10:49 AM	#4
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 393</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> the base master of treachery Clearly sauron had daunted the will and blunted the nobleness of Denethor. But Denethor was a prideful man from the begining. Instead of being grateful for Thorongil's help [not to mention learning to keep tabs on Umbar and conduct "seal" type commando activity activity ] he was jealous and while he did not desire to be King as did Boromir , he sure wanted to rule as one and not see one around [although to be fair a prejudice against the Northern line was far older than he]. But he asked for no help or counsel from Gandalf ,maintained no ties w/ the Wise [whose emmisaries Gandalf and Thorongil were- if he had but the eyes to see as did his son Faaramir and his [br-in- law ?] Imraihil. He may have become aware that Aragorn had acquired the Palantir of Orthanc, and thus been confirmed of his Identity. I would imagine that he also felt less ureof Gandalf after learning of Sauruman's betrayel. I imagine Denethor had harsh words to G. over the 'Wise's' failure to monitor and even combat their own. Although Denethor could have seen that Sauruman was building a dark Army -we have no clue that he ever did. In the end I think he had been poisoned as surely as Theoden but would accept no healing. </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.