[Kuruharan]

this is as good of an example of a conversation-bomb that I have ever seen
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No kidding! But it relates to the topic, so I've got no problem with it.

Actually, instead of killing the thread, posts have started breeding like rabbits.

I'm sorry...I'm sorry...I just couldn't resist.

Yet I will give
a respite brief, a while to live,
a little while, though purchased dear,
to Lúthien the fair and clear,
a pretty toy for idle hour.
In slothful gardens many a flower
like thee the amorous gods are used
honey-sweet to kiss, and cast then bruised,
their fragrance losing, under feet.
But here we seldom find such sweet
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And who would not taste the honey-sweet
lying to lips, or crush with feet
the soft cool tissue of pale flowers,
easing like gods the dragging hours?
A! curse the Gods! O hunger dire,
O blinding thirst's unending fire!
One moment shall ye cease, and slake
your sting with morsel I here take!'

Some of the language in this passage is certainly a bit sensual, as if Morgoth was enjoying it for its own sake.

Was it already present or would he have to create a reproductive system on the spot

I'd never really given it much thought before (fancy that!)

This was after the time that Morgoth could no longer change his physical form so it must be supposed that he was previously "armed and ready." As much as I hate to admit it, I think that this tends to support the view that the Valar were also similarly endowed when they took physical form.

However, I think that there is a fundamental difference to be considered between the Valar and Morgoth. The Valar remained primarily spiritual beings while Morgoth became a physical being, trapped in his body. I think that it is a safe assumption that the Valar's bodies were different in nature, and probably in substance, from physical beings. This being the case, they were likely not subject to what we might term biological processes.

I would suggest that the Valar appearing in a physical form could actually be the Valar playing a sort of visual "trick." The spiritual Valar is acting directly on the eyes of the incarnate viewer to cause the incarnate to "see" a physical representation of the Vala, but no such physical manifestation would actually exist.

However, that is clearly not what was happening in Morgoth's case, so my interesting little theory can probably be discarded.

Sorry. That was my attempt to bring this discussion to a more intellectual level.

I does have some relationship to the discussion at hand. Since Morgoth was fully incarnate, he might have become subject to his biological processes, and thus had hormones and so forth. This would also mean that he had to eat and go to the bathroom. Gandalf and the other Istari were subject to similar requirements (at least regarding eating and one presumes the other).

Perhaps part of becoming trapped in a body would indeed cause Morgoth to feel (for lack of a better way of expressing it) physical lust.