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**lindil** · 01-08-2001, 11:31 PM

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Re: The drowning of Beleriand

I read somewhere in HoME a few days ago [sorry I forgot where<img src=frown.gif ALT="

"> ] that Pelagir was on the coast at the time of the numenorean founding , but that the destruction of numenor filled in 70 [?] or so miles of the bay of Belfalas
and left it well inland on the anduin instead of at the mouth. If this is a later conception [and I think it may have been in XII [peoples of ME] then a similar destruction {or construction if you will} was taking place toward the end of the second age. Numenor seems to have been ultra- temperate w/out being tropical [somewhat like San Francisco here I woud guess] and being so as part of the reward 'package' ,while JRRT clearly had northwestern europe in mind for eriador, [ and i would hazard to guees that the was shire relatively snow free due to some kind of gulf stream and proximity to the ocean]. as for the Numenorean ship wreath , I thought the shock of it's freezing was from thegrace of the Valar seen as having been withdrawn not due to the weather . Were not the Numenoreans sailors extrodinaire NORTH, east, south all but but West [till the Akallabeth] ?

Lindil

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01-08-2001, 11:31 PM	#11
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 166</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: The drowning of Beleriand I read somewhere in HoME a few days ago [sorry I forgot where<img src=frown.gif ALT=""> ] that Pelagir was on the coast at the time of the numenorean founding , but that the destruction of numenor filled in 70 [?] or so miles of the bay of Belfalas and left it well inland on the anduin instead of at the mouth. If this is a later conception [and I think it may have been in XII [peoples of ME] then a similar destruction {or construction if you will} was taking place toward the end of the second age. Numenor seems to have been ultra- temperate w/out being tropical [somewhat like San Francisco here I woud guess] and being so as part of the reward 'package' ,while JRRT clearly had northwestern europe in mind for eriador, [ and i would hazard to guees that the was shire relatively snow free due to some kind of gulf stream and proximity to the ocean]. as for the Numenorean ship wreath , I thought the shock of it's freezing was from thegrace of the Valar seen as having been withdrawn not due to the weather . Were not the Numenoreans sailors extrodinaire NORTH, east, south all but but West [till the Akallabeth] ? Lindil </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.