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Saulotus · 01-08-2001, 12:48 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The drowning of Beleriand

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I don't know how "authentic" it's considered<hr></blockquote>
Not very. Not very at all.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> So the northwest of ME,where most of the tales take place,is not far removed from polar regions and Eskimo- like peoples<hr></blockquote>
So you're saying that the region of Dorthonion was near polar conditions? Even >I< don't place Numenor this high in latitude.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> If Numenor was at a high latitude,wouldn't that be at least not an uncommon occurance?<hr></blockquote>
You misinterpret my words. I said northern, as in NOT NEAR the equator but above it. In all probability, at a relative latitude as that of Minhiriath or thereabouts. The Hills of Evendim remind Elendil not only of Numenorean lands but also of climate.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> As far as Mithlond being the first destination of the Numenoreans when they return to ME,I don't find it odd<hr></blockquote>
So you don't find it odd that the shores of Middle-earth south of Lindon were unknown (even in passing) since they had to sail from the south instead of almost directly across?
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> If the latter,it can be inferred Pelargir was not south of Numenor.<hr></blockquote>
More or less correct. It was south AFAIK, but only slightly so.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> wouldn't ME be a relative stone's throw away aven after the War of Wrath?<hr></blockquote>
I'm not sure I'd classify 700 miles (and\or more) as a 'stone's throw', since it would have to be at least this far out so as to not be a part of Beleriand, (especially to a race re-learning sea travel with no coasts as guides).

Do I consider the description of Numenor to match that of an Equatorial or Near-Equatorial island, even discounting other evidence that places it at a higher latitude? NO WAY!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> And wasn't Balar ruined by Anardil's time? Where does it say that he saw it<hr></blockquote>
My bad. Was in a rush. Bay of Belegaer. I stand corrected.

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01-08-2001, 12:48 AM	#6
Saulotus Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 346	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 345</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The drowning of Beleriand <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> I don't know how "authentic" it's considered<hr></blockquote> Not very. Not very at all. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> So the northwest of ME,where most of the tales take place,is not far removed from polar regions and Eskimo- like peoples<hr></blockquote> So you're saying that the region of Dorthonion was near polar conditions? Even >I< don't place Numenor this high in latitude. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> If Numenor was at a high latitude,wouldn't that be at least not an uncommon occurance?<hr></blockquote> You misinterpret my words. I said northern, as in NOT NEAR the equator but above it. In all probability, at a relative latitude as that of Minhiriath or thereabouts. The Hills of Evendim remind Elendil not only of Numenorean lands but also of climate. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> As far as Mithlond being the first destination of the Numenoreans when they return to ME,I don't find it odd<hr></blockquote> So you don't find it odd that the shores of Middle-earth south of Lindon were unknown (even in passing) since they had to sail from the south instead of almost directly across? <blockquote>Quote:<hr> If the latter,it can be inferred Pelargir was not south of Numenor.<hr></blockquote> More or less correct. It was south AFAIK, but only slightly so. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> wouldn't ME be a relative stone's throw away aven after the War of Wrath?<hr></blockquote> I'm not sure I'd classify 700 miles (and\or more) as a 'stone's throw', since it would have to be at least this far out so as to not be a part of Beleriand, (especially to a race re-learning sea travel with no coasts as guides). Do I consider the description of Numenor to match that of an Equatorial or Near-Equatorial island, even discounting other evidence that places it at a higher latitude? NO WAY! <blockquote>Quote:*<hr> And wasn't Balar ruined by Anardil's time? Where does it say that he saw it<hr></blockquote> My bad. Was in a rush. Bay of Belegaer. I stand corrected. </p>