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Inziladun · 01-07-2001, 11:47 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The drowning of Beleriand

Well as far as I know,the exact location of Numenor as far as latitude goes was not told in the books. I don't know how "authentic" it's considered,but The Atlas of Middle Earth has Eressea right in line with The Girdle of Arda (equator). Of course Numenor has to be near Eressea because Avallone could be seen from the Meneltarma. I think Numenor was a bit north of the equator,but not in line with Lindon.
In ME,the region of the Forodwaith and Ice Bay of Forochel "lie hardly more than a hundred leagues north of the Shire". So the northwest of ME,where most of the tales take place,is not far removed from polar regions and Eskimo- like peoples. Snow is said to be rare in the Shire,but it did happen. And whatever the reason for it,we have snow falling near Moria,which is roughly in line with the southern end of the Ered Luin.
Conversely,snow and ice seem to be unknown in Numenor. At least there is no mention I recall. And when the bough of oiolaire on Aldarion's ship is withered by cold after he and his men had been "driven into wastes perilous with ice" all are shocked. If Numenor was at a high latitude,wouldn't that be at least not an uncommon occurance?
As far as Mithlond being the first destination of the Numenoreans when they return to ME,I don't find it odd. Lindon was all that was left of Beleriand after the War of Wrath,and it seems natural that's where they would have set out from for Numenor in the first place. Mithlond was founded Year 1,Second Age. The Edain reached Numenor Year 32. So they would have known about the Havens, and Gil-Galad would have been the first person to see when they returned.

And it's somewhat ambiguous,but we are told the chief haven of the Numenorean Faithful was Pelargir. "But the King's Men sailed far away to the South". Of what? Pelargir or Numenor? If the latter,it can be inferred Pelargir was not south of Numenor.
And one more point. Aman and ME drew close together at the Helcaraxe,another polar region. Numenor was a fairly large island,and with the Sea narrowing between Beleriand and Aman,wouldn't ME be a relative stone's throw away aven after the War of Wrath?

And wasn't Balar ruined by Anardil's time? Where does it say that he saw it?

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01-07-2001, 11:47 PM	#5
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 43</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The drowning of Beleriand Well as far as I know,the exact location of Numenor as far as latitude goes was not told in the books. I don't know how "authentic" it's considered,but The Atlas of Middle Earth has Eressea right in line with The Girdle of Arda (equator). Of course Numenor has to be near Eressea because Avallone could be seen from the Meneltarma. I think Numenor was a bit north of the equator,but not in line with Lindon. In ME,the region of the Forodwaith and Ice Bay of Forochel "lie hardly more than a hundred leagues north of the Shire". So the northwest of ME,where most of the tales take place,is not far removed from polar regions and Eskimo- like peoples. Snow is said to be rare in the Shire,but it did happen. And whatever the reason for it,we have snow falling near Moria,which is roughly in line with the southern end of the Ered Luin. Conversely,snow and ice seem to be unknown in Numenor. At least there is no mention I recall. And when the bough of oiolaire on Aldarion's ship is withered by cold after he and his men had been "driven into wastes perilous with ice" all are shocked. If Numenor was at a high latitude,wouldn't that be at least not an uncommon occurance? As far as Mithlond being the first destination of the Numenoreans when they return to ME,I don't find it odd. Lindon was all that was left of Beleriand after the War of Wrath,and it seems natural that's where they would have set out from for Numenor in the first place. Mithlond was founded Year 1,Second Age. The Edain reached Numenor Year 32. So they would have known about the Havens, and Gil-Galad would have been the first person to see when they returned. And it's somewhat ambiguous,but we are told the chief haven of the Numenorean Faithful was Pelargir. "But the King's Men sailed far away to the South". Of what? Pelargir or Numenor? If the latter,it can be inferred Pelargir was not south of Numenor. And one more point. Aman and ME drew close together at the Helcaraxe,another polar region. Numenor was a fairly large island,and with the Sea narrowing between Beleriand and Aman,wouldn't ME be a relative stone's throw away aven after the War of Wrath? And wasn't Balar ruined by Anardil's time? Where does it say that he saw it? </p> __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.