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Old 08-05-2002, 03:09 AM   #18
Galorme
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Galorme has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

It says it in a short passage in The Lost Road ::gets book and puts on reading spectacles::

There are a few cryptic clues to what adventures, and horrors our Mariner goes through.

Quote:
Land of strange men, land of magic. The home of Night. The Spider.
There are lots more in that quote, very interesting provided you have a good imagination (II.261).

A sentance in an outline for the end of the (unfinished, alas) Tale of Earendel says (very, very mysteriously)

Quote:
Driven West. Ungweliante [an earlier name for Ungoliant]. Magic Isles. Twilit Isle [sic]. Little-heart's going awakes the Sleeper in the Tower of Pearl.
To be honest these are the parts of the histories I love. I think it is told somewhere else that he killed the Spider, but it is just as likely that i dreamed it, as often happens with these old tales. I believe, that even is Tolkien wrote these as part of a story he never finished, it still fits in perfectly with the mythology. We were never supposed to know what happened to Earendel on his long voyage, but these cryptic hints provide clues, which do little more that add a slight hint of authenticity to my imagination and my dreams.

::desperatly drags conversation back to Ungoliant::

So Ungoliant could well have been killed by Earendel, or at least faced him and lost (though i supose he could have escaped). Unless someone can show me a quote that he did not then i will carry on believing it. Then again i do not think Tolkien knew anymore about her fate than we do from these scetches and legends in the BoLT.
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