I probably have no place here, but I couldn't help but thing of something relevant to the topic:
What about when Turin beat down Saeros? sure, Turin was abnormally strong, and Saeros was a useless Nandor, but he was still a lord of Menegroth and had had much more practice in the martial arts. What's more, he had see the faces of those who had seen the faces who had seen the Light. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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