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Old 01-21-2003, 08:37 AM   #13
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To say Arvedui was only trying to save his own skin seems harsh and generally unbefitting of the House of Elendil to me.
The context of that statement is the statement before it that says, "try to look at it from Gondor's perspective." That is not necessarily my own opinion. It is just a possible interpretation of the situation. You have to admit that a jaundiced view of this matter, and the Gondorians certainly had that, would probably think that this would be part of the motivation of Arvedui.

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Arvedui must have been viewed by most Gondorians as alot more than a mere 'outlander'
That statement I'm afraid that I'm just going to have to flatly disagree with. The realms had been severed for a few centuries. (Actually, a lot of centuries). Relations between the two nations were not really close for a long time before. There were bound to be cultural differences between the two nations by this point. And there was the simple fact that Arvedui was coming from far away. That alone would make him an outlander in some eyes. Regardless of his marital ties.

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As for his (subjective) arrogance, does confidence not seem like arrogance to those who have neither? If Arvedui was so high-handed with the Snowmen, why did he then more than repay their kindness with a priceless heirloom like the Ring of Barahir, it would surely have been just as easy to give them trinkets, coins or less.
And the words that he used to them essentially boiled down to, "this thing is more valuable than you are and you don't even know it." Not very courteous, especially to the people that saved your life. (And were trying to save it again.) And I doubt that he had much else left to give them.

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does confidence not seem like arrogance to those who have neither
This is a man who failed in all of his major undertakings. Should he have any bold confidence left by this point? Humble gratitude would have suited the situation better.

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I just feel its about time someone stood in Arveduis corner
Be of good cheer. Most people have always been on your side in this matter. It's poor Earnil who usually gets rained on.
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