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**lindil** · 09-19-2002, 07:16 AM

childkike Empress, I must respectfully disagree that the loss of Power of the 3 rings had anything to do w/ the fading of the Elves or the coming [ and already advanced] Age of Men [ other than Synchronicity that is [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ].

While JRRT does not spell it out [ Elrond and Galadriel both I believe 'speculate' on what will happen to the rings if the One ring is destroyed, but they do not know exactly till it happens. So we do not ever get a precise explanation of how Sauron linked the One to the Three w/ out ever having ever touched the Three.

We can only surmise that the lore and techniques [i.e. magic] used by Celebrimbor and co. were secretly already interwoven w/ the magic of the one ring [ or it's latent idea].

I am not sure of the exact Chronology of the ring making [ if someone has it that would be great, i imagine it is all [or mostly in the "Of the Rings of Power and the 3rd age].

I think it ran thusly:

Sauron comes up w/ plan of rings to 'enslave ' the leaders of Elves, Dwarves and Men.
Shops around for Elves to make friends and begin injecting his poison to Elvish culture. [ and market his hidden agenda]. Galadriel, Gil-Galad, Elrond and Cirdan all demure.

Celebrimbor, descendant of Feanor that he is [ the rings are an invers plot of the Silmarills in many ways w/ the main characters descendants still involved - as Sam says inwhy mr. frodo we are still in the same tale arn't we why that light in your star glass came form the Silmarills... <para>] .

Celebrimbor then makes the Three w/ knowledge [ and apparently a controlling virus] from sauron [and noldorin lore also i imagine].

Sauron then [makes?] or at least completes the one ring back in mordor, as he utters the spell [the interrelationship of the rings is proven by the fact that -] Celebrimbor becomes aware of Him [ not in Suron's game plan apparently] .

So I put forth the Sauron ring 'virus' theory.

In any case I see no evidence for a talisman's potency to fade because Aragorn becomes king [and inheritor and dynasty founder] of Elven and Numenorean culture and Sauron 'dies'.

09-19-2002, 07:16 AM	#8
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	childkike Empress, I must respectfully disagree that the loss of Power of the 3 rings had anything to do w/ the fading of the Elves or the coming [ and already advanced] Age of Men [ other than Synchronicity that is [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ]. While JRRT does not spell it out [ Elrond and Galadriel both I believe 'speculate' on what will happen to the rings if the One ring is destroyed, but they do not know exactly till it happens. So we do not ever get a precise explanation of how Sauron linked the One to the Three w/ out ever having ever touched the Three. We can only surmise that the lore and techniques [i.e. magic] used by Celebrimbor and co. were secretly already interwoven w/ the magic of the one ring [ or it's latent idea]. I am not sure of the exact Chronology of the ring making [ if someone has it that would be great, i imagine it is all [or mostly in the "Of the Rings of Power and the 3rd age]. I think it ran thusly: Sauron comes up w/ plan of rings to 'enslave ' the leaders of Elves, Dwarves and Men. Shops around for Elves to make friends and begin injecting his poison to Elvish culture. [ and market his hidden agenda]. Galadriel, Gil-Galad, Elrond and Cirdan all demure. Celebrimbor, descendant of Feanor that he is [ the rings are an invers plot of the Silmarills in many ways w/ the main characters descendants still involved - as Sam says inwhy mr. frodo we are still in the same tale arn't we why that light in your star glass came form the Silmarills... <para>] . Celebrimbor then makes the Three w/ knowledge [ and apparently a controlling virus] from sauron [and noldorin lore also i imagine]. Sauron then [makes?] or at least completes the one ring back in mordor, as he utters the spell [the interrelationship of the rings is proven by the fact that -] Celebrimbor becomes aware of Him [ not in Suron's game plan apparently] . So I put forth the Sauron ring 'virus' theory. In any case I see no evidence for a talisman's potency to fade because Aragorn becomes king [and inheritor and dynasty founder] of Elven and Numenorean culture and Sauron 'dies'. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.